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I think all of us agree that judgement of character in a coach should be one deciding factor in whether or not he is hired. I'd like to think that Dannen has a sixth sense about it and that is why he went in a different direction. I really don't know, other than hindsight is 20/20 and it is possible it was luck or that Jewett is/was a better candidate.

As for Cowen in 1998, RR hadn't shown his true colors yet and that was just a screwup in a decade of screwups, imho. Trying to be the smartest-person-in-the-room type of thing.

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Truth.

We will never know what could have been. Was RR that way back then? I don't know. Would either have them have given into temptations here? Would they have just gained 35 pounds here and dead ended themselves?

I did read up about RR's wife and she completely poured herself into his career, even volunteering to do the grounds work chalking up the lines at one of his schools in West Virginia while they waited for him to get discovered. Delayed having a family. And this is how he repays her loyalty with all of this drama - and apparently he has had serious financial issues with real estate investments going sideways and lawsuits. The grass is not always greener in the big leagues.

Either Andy or Rich Rod could have very well bloomed where planted, but that's not what happened and I agree that the chapter on that has closed and we have some good news to focus on right here right now: We swept our opening series, Willie Fritz got an amazing class, and football was fun again to watch last year.

Can't wait to see what happens next. Roll on, Tulane.


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Prof, you lost me at “your” {sic}. 8)

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While Cannizaro's firing is nothing to celebrate, I do think the silver lining is it didn't happen here and it is evidence that TD may be a good judge of character. That's all that really needs to be said about it I think.

FWIW, WWL's post about it mentions LSU but not Tulane. Haven't checked other local outlets, but don't really expect much different.


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As much as some want to portray this as a brilliantly prescient move by Dannen, I suspect there was nothing character-wise going on in any of the interviews that led to the decision to go with TJ. The idea that TD knew about this affair is ludicrous because Andy was an assistant at LSU when he interviewed with Tulane. And there's no way to know the same thing would have occurred at Tulane, had Andy been hired. If Tulane's vetting company could identify a character trait in Andy that was so strong that we passed him over only because we thought he'd be likely to get caught in a personal scandal, then there's some real voodoo going on with that company and a lot of folks ought to be beating down their door. :shock:


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Officially "resigned" today. Citing bad decisions made.

His (alledged) bad decision:
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As much as some want to portray this as a brilliantly prescient move by Dannen, I suspect there was nothing character-wise going on in any of the interviews that led to the decision to go with TJ. The idea that TD knew about this affair is ludicrous because Andy was an assistant at LSU when he interviewed with Tulane. And there's no way to know the same thing would have occurred at Tulane, had Andy been hired. If Tulane's vetting company could identify a character trait in Andy that was so strong that we passed him over only because we thought he'd be likely to get caught in a personal scandal, then there's some real voodoo going on with that company and a lot of folks ought to be beating down their door. :shock:
Agree. We had a CEO who lasted at Lockheed Martin for about 15 minutes (just before the current female CEO, who has done quite well) because he, as windy hilariously put it, was fishing off the company pier and someone reported it on the 1-800-I’M-STUPID line. If a Fortune 100 company can’t vet it right in its own midst there’s little hope for small scale operations.

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Rotorooter wrote:
I think all of us agree that judgement of character in a coach should be one deciding factor in whether or not he is hired. I'd like to think that Dannen has a sixth sense about it and that is why he went in a different direction. I really don't know, other than hindsight is 20/20 and it is possible it was luck or that Jewett is/was a better candidate.

As for Cowen in 1998, RR hadn't shown his true colors yet and that was just a screwup in a decade of screwups, imho. Trying to be the smartest-person-in-the-room type of thing.

Spilt milk. Onward.

Kinda silly to think this had any part of our decision not to hire AC imo. I'm sure TD is smiling internally due to all the crud he took last year but to retroactively credit him with some magic 8 ball seems like wishful thinking.


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Rotorooter wrote:
I think all of us agree that judgement of character in a coach should be one deciding factor in whether or not he is hired. I'd like to think that Dannen has a sixth sense about it and that is why he went in a different direction. I really don't know, other than hindsight is 20/20 and it is possible it was luck or that Jewett is/was a better candidate.

As for Cowen in 1998, RR hadn't shown his true colors yet and that was just a screwup in a decade of screwups, imho. Trying to be the smartest-person-in-the-room type of thing.

Spilt milk. Onward.

Kinda silly to think this had any part of our decision not to hire AC imo. I'm sure TD is smiling internally due to all the crud he took last year but to retroactively credit him with some magic 8 ball seems like wishful thinking.


Not saying it did. In fact, I am saying he had to have a sixth sense for it to weigh in on that decision (and I'd like to think he does, unlike his predecessor), but it was more likely luck that a better candidate came along and he didn't hire Andy, even with all the internal pressure to do so. We actually agree, though your comprehension skills need work.

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Another former player is affected as well. Jake Gautreau moved his family up there to work under Andy.

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Rotorooter wrote:
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I think all of us agree that judgement of character in a coach should be one deciding factor in whether or not he is hired. I'd like to think that Dannen has a sixth sense about it and that is why he went in a different direction. I really don't know, other than hindsight is 20/20 and it is possible it was luck or that Jewett is/was a better candidate.

As for Cowen in 1998, RR hadn't shown his true colors yet and that was just a screwup in a decade of screwups, imho. Trying to be the smartest-person-in-the-room type of thing.

Spilt milk. Onward.

Kinda silly to think this had any part of our decision not to hire AC imo. I'm sure TD is smiling internally due to all the crud he took last year but to retroactively credit him with some magic 8 ball seems like wishful thinking.


Not saying it did. In fact, I am saying he had to have a sixth sense for it to weigh in on that decision (and I'd like to think he does, unlike his predecessor), but it was more likely luck that a better candidate came along and he didn't hire Andy, even with all the internal pressure to do so. We actually agree, though your comprehension skills need work.

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JG should be safe for this year - yes?


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Yeah, there's a big difference in saying TD may be a good judge of character and that he is some wizard that predicted this would happen. I don't think anyone is saying that.


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the people who think we dodged a bullet here, you have to consider the fact we may not have had a person in the AD office he'd want to fornicate with and would thus still be our head coach!!

Let's not disparage the Tulane Staff here
I must say that when I was given a personal tour of all the athletic facilities back in December, the staff was young, vivacious, and a credit to the university.


What I meant is he may not have "clicked" with anyone on staff.

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Officially "resigned" today. Citing bad decisions made.

His (alledged) bad decision:
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Better than Monica Lewinsky or a Waffle House Manager

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windywave wrote:
waverider wrote:
Officially "resigned" today. Citing bad decisions made.

His (alledged) bad decision:
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Better than Monica Lewinsky or a Waffle House Manager


Indeed. Much better decision from that angle.

Still not worth the cost, though.


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the people who think we dodged a bullet here, you have to consider the fact we may not have had a person in the AD office he'd want to fornicate with and would thus still be our head coach!!

Let's not disparage the Tulane Staff here
I must say that when I was given a personal tour of all the athletic facilities back in December, the staff was young, vivacious, and a credit to the university.


What I meant is he may not have "clicked" with anyone on staff.
Gotcha.

I have to say, I’m proud of this thread so far for not commenting on waverider’s visual post.

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You made a liar out of me, windy and Quaker, by one minute.

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Wandering Quaker wrote:
windywave wrote:
waverider wrote:
Officially "resigned" today. Citing bad decisions made.

His (alledged) bad decision:
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Better than Monica Lewinsky or a Waffle House Manager


Indeed. Much better decision from that angle.

Still not worth the cost, though.


Definetly not worth the cost.

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You made a liar out of me, Quaker, by one minute.


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You made a liar out of me, Quaker, by one minute.


Ahem

I corrected my post. Moving too fast now. :lol:

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TUPF wrote:
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You made a liar out of me, Quaker, by one minute.


Ahem

I corrected my post. Moving too fast now. :lol:

Still infinitely better than it's being handled over on Tigerdroppings.


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Saintgreenie wrote:
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You made a liar out of me, Quaker, by one minute.


Ahem

I corrected my post. Moving too fast now. :lol:

Still infinitely better than it's being handled over on Tigerdroppings.


Defends on one's definition of better

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I feel badly for AC and his family, perhaps they can come out of this a stronger family. I'm also hoping that while we wish AC and his family the best that we can now all come together and support the current Coaching Staff at Tulane minus the second guessing.

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Can members of their current team transfer without sitting out a season (due to coaching change hardship?)? If so, we could probably pick up a recruit or two. Also, it would mend some fences if we found an assistant role for Jake G (assuming he will be without a job at end of season). Maybe he will be happy being our assistant (vs. thinking he should be our head coach).

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I would really like it if she was involved with Mullens and UF fires him too

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