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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:27 am 
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Wow. Not surprising, but wow.

Also... Do we know this post itself is real? Have y'all looked at rivals or 247 to see if there is actually a listing of the kid? This could be a catfish of a story about a catfish...


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:34 am 
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I was able to find a screenshot of a 247 profile, but can't find anything on the sites. of course, if this is a legit story the recruiting sites probably scrambled to delete everything they had posted of him.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:23 am 
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You'd think there would be at least a confirmation that the school has extended an offer. It's one thing to make up a person, which could be relatively easily disproved, but what's to stop Rummel's backup running back (a real person) to start posting offers to pump up the ranking? Are kids doing this already?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:56 am 
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So this breaks my heart a bit. As a former player and coach it shows how little the sites actually do/care about anything less than a 4 star player. Yet we are supposed to think these ratings mean something. The sad part is they have an effect on recruiting and expectations of recruits. If you are a three star then schools are more likely to take the time to seriously look at your film if you sent it to them. Two or unrated SOL. If a site says you hold other D1 offers they are more likely to look at your film. This reeks. Unless you are a non-contact camp stud, you depend on coaches seeing your film. This is the doody matters. :evil:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:09 am 
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A program that relies (in any sense of that word) on recruiting sites will fail.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:18 pm 
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long green wrote:
A program that relies (in any sense of that word) on recruiting sites will fail.

Yet a college football system that relies utterly on the media telling the general population that we need to watch certain conferences and certain teams because they are so powerful while we don't need to watch other teams because there's no way they could ever be good, flourishes and thrives.

Makes total sense, doesn't it?


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No, because our two posts have zero in common.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:31 pm 
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No, because our two posts have zero in common.

They don't have to have anything in common in the sense you are thinking. Just making a point.

But you don't see the point that players' reputations are being driven by these sites, and therefore pressure being applied to coaches via fans who read the sites, or even straight to coaches if they foolishly read the sites? Just like how propensity of a fan to watch a game on TV, which drives exposure, which drives commercial sales, which drives TV contract amounts, which provides money to the school, is based on who the media tells us is good?


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No, because our two posts have zero in common.

They don't have to have anything in common in the sense you are thinking. Just making a point.

But you don't see the point that players' reputations are being driven by these sites, and therefore pressure being applied to coaches via fans who read the sites, or even straight to coaches if they foolishly read the sites? Just like how propensity of a fan to watch a game on TV, which drives exposure, which drives commercial sales, which drives TV contract amounts, which provides money to the school, is based on who the media tells us is good?

Plus, the schools we're being spoon-fed as the good ones offer a kid and his rating goes up. They're kinda directly related

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gerryb323 wrote:
You'd think there would be at least a confirmation that the school has extended an offer. It's one thing to make up a person, which could be relatively easily disproved, but what's to stop Rummel's backup running back (a real person) to start posting offers to pump up the ranking? Are kids doing this already?

Much like heights, weights, and 40 times, this is pretty much all self-reported by the kids. It's not worth a coach/assistant coach's time to verify the hundreds of offers they give out. Maybe you can get something from the HS coach but a lot of them hate all of the recruiting stuff ("distractions" and whatnot).


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long green wrote:
A program that relies (in any sense of that word) on recruiting sites will fail.

You leave open your definition of "relies", but I'd imagine that every program has at least one person charged with monitoring the recruiting sites.


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You'd think there would be at least a confirmation that the school has extended an offer. It's one thing to make up a person, which could be relatively easily disproved, but what's to stop Rummel's backup running back (a real person) to start posting offers to pump up the ranking? Are kids doing this already?

Much like heights, weights, and 40 times, this is pretty much all self-reported by the kids. It's not worth a coach/assistant coach's time to verify the hundreds of offers they give out. Maybe you can get something from the HS coach but a lot of them hate all of the recruiting stuff ("distractions" and whatnot).

Don't count the offer until it's confirmed and things would change

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rivals and 247 can have value only as reference tools. I can think of a few other sources for that. Any college coach using the ratings beyond talking up a signee cannot possibly be doing his job.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:57 pm 
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rivals and 247 can have value only as reference tools. I can think of a few other sources for that. Any college coach using the ratings beyond talking up a signee cannot possibly be doing his job.

Of course. I don't think anyone is arguing the schools should recruit based on the sites. And for the most part, the sites are fairly accurate with the top players committing to the top schools, since that's how it works. Of course gems fall through the cracks. But we're seeing first hand how (potentially) coaching decisions are being made (or not made) based on potential recruits and their presumed quality. And then we see a commitment drop solely based on committing to a non-power school. It just kinda sucks.

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gerryb323 wrote:
ml wave wrote:
gerryb323 wrote:
You'd think there would be at least a confirmation that the school has extended an offer. It's one thing to make up a person, which could be relatively easily disproved, but what's to stop Rummel's backup running back (a real person) to start posting offers to pump up the ranking? Are kids doing this already?

Much like heights, weights, and 40 times, this is pretty much all self-reported by the kids. It's not worth a coach/assistant coach's time to verify the hundreds of offers they give out. Maybe you can get something from the HS coach but a lot of them hate all of the recruiting stuff ("distractions" and whatnot).

Don't count the offer until it's confirmed and things would change

Who shouldn't count it? The sites? That wouldn't benefit them any.


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ml wave wrote:
gerryb323 wrote:
ml wave wrote:
gerryb323 wrote:
You'd think there would be at least a confirmation that the school has extended an offer. It's one thing to make up a person, which could be relatively easily disproved, but what's to stop Rummel's backup running back (a real person) to start posting offers to pump up the ranking? Are kids doing this already?

Much like heights, weights, and 40 times, this is pretty much all self-reported by the kids. It's not worth a coach/assistant coach's time to verify the hundreds of offers they give out. Maybe you can get something from the HS coach but a lot of them hate all of the recruiting stuff ("distractions" and whatnot).

Don't count the offer until it's confirmed and things would change

Who shouldn't count it? The sites? That wouldn't benefit them any.

It would only make them more accurate. Can't have that

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gerryb323 wrote:
ml wave wrote:
gerryb323 wrote:
ml wave wrote:
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You'd think there would be at least a confirmation that the school has extended an offer. It's one thing to make up a person, which could be relatively easily disproved, but what's to stop Rummel's backup running back (a real person) to start posting offers to pump up the ranking? Are kids doing this already?

Much like heights, weights, and 40 times, this is pretty much all self-reported by the kids. It's not worth a coach/assistant coach's time to verify the hundreds of offers they give out. Maybe you can get something from the HS coach but a lot of them hate all of the recruiting stuff ("distractions" and whatnot).

Don't count the offer until it's confirmed and things would change

Who shouldn't count it? The sites? That wouldn't benefit them any.

It would only make them more accurate. Can't have that

Ideally, sure, but if you have less info than your competition (even if yours is more accurate) you're eventually going to go out of business.


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No one mentioned if he signed.


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The whole thing is a scam. Half wit fans of sec schools jerk off to 5* players that commit and buy subscriptions to half assed evaluations.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:47 am 
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waverider wrote:
The whole thing is a scam. Half wit fans of sec schools jerk off to 5* players that commit and buy subscriptions to half assed evaluations.


I think the 4 and 5 star ratings generally aren't a scam. In fact, I think the nationwide recruiting that can happen because of these site helps the top programs hit more on talent. This observation is backed up bay the lack of misses Clemson and Alabama have. That said they "scam" the 3 star and below players on a constant basis. Do you think the catfish would have worked if he was a 4 or 5 star? I say no. But 3 star or 2 star, who cares.

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rivals and 247 can have value only as reference tools. I can think of a few other sources for that. Any college coach using the ratings beyond talking up a signee cannot possibly be doing his job.

This true, however they still seem to spend time evaluating kids they don't see in camps that are on recruiting sites. It's a real way to find players that weren't at your camps or are out of state etc. The problem is with limited time are coaches going to sit down and evaluate the film or a two star with little to no offers or a three star with multiple offers(possibly fake). The answer is they are going to go with the 3 star every time which is probably the better choice for the school. The loser here is the 2 star who didn't lie or fluff up their resume(aka who was honest) and the injustice is that recruiting sites arbitrarily influence who gets D1 scholarship offers.

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link to an article about it with comments from 24/7 CEO via twitter:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/a-fake-football-recruit-successfully-catfished-their-way-to-a-3-star-ranking/ar-BBTC6W6

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