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 Post subject: Wow
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:37 pm 
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Tonight we finally broke the Greenville jinx. And it is only fitting we had to overcome not only ecu but also the expected terrible officiating to do it! I'm so glad that we stopped their back well short of the goal line because you can bet your last dollar if he would have gotten close they call it a TD. Much more fun to gripe about the refs after a win!


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 Post subject: Re: Wow
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:42 pm 
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Do you remember the Army game at West Point about ten years ago? Tulane has a 4th and one at the 16 and Toledo following conventional wisdom elects to kick the FG in OT. It misses. Army makes its OT field goal and wins. Difference between Toledo and Fritz. WF goes for it on 4th and one from the 16 in OT while empowering the player (Banks) who had given away the lead in the 4th Q to run for what became the winning touchdown.

I rarely think one play encapsulates it all to compare two coaches but perhaps this is the exception.


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 Post subject: Re: Wow
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Baywave1 wrote:
Do you remember the Army game at West Point about ten years ago? Tulane has a 4th and one at the 16 and Toledo following conventional wisdom elects to kick the FG in OT. It misses. Army makes its OT field goal and wins. Difference between Toledo and Fritz. WF goes for it on 4th and one from the 16 in OT while empowering the player (Banks) who had given away the lead in the 4th Q to run for what became the winning touchdown.

I rarely think one play encapsulates it all to compare two coaches but perhaps this is the exception.


Go back even further and you'll remember a Tulane team that supposedly didn't want to come out of the halftime locker room under Teevens vs Army because of the cold and we were getting whipped. The cold was not an issue tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: Wow
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Did anyone else think the AAC officiating would be a step up from CUSA?

I shoulda took the under...


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Baywave1 wrote:
Do you remember the Army game at West Point about ten years ago? Tulane has a 4th and one at the 16 and Toledo following conventional wisdom elects to kick the FG in OT. It misses. Army makes its OT field goal and wins. Difference between Toledo and Fritz. WF goes for it on 4th and one from the 16 in OT while empowering the player (Banks) who had given away the lead in the 4th Q to run for what became the winning touchdown.

I rarely think one play encapsulates it all to compare two coaches but perhaps this is the exception.
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 Post subject: Re: Wow
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Baywave1 wrote:
Do you remember the Army game at West Point about ten years ago? Tulane has a 4th and one at the 16 and Toledo following conventional wisdom elects to kick the FG in OT. It misses. Army makes its OT field goal and wins. Difference between Toledo and Fritz. WF goes for it on 4th and one from the 16 in OT while empowering the player (Banks) who had given away the lead in the 4th Q to run for what became the winning touchdown.

I rarely think one play encapsulates it all to compare two coaches but perhaps this is the exception.

I was at that Army game in '07.

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waverider wrote:
Baywave1 wrote:
Do you remember the Army game at West Point about ten years ago? Tulane has a 4th and one at the 16 and Toledo following conventional wisdom elects to kick the FG in OT. It misses. Army makes its OT field goal and wins. Difference between Toledo and Fritz. WF goes for it on 4th and one from the 16 in OT while empowering the player (Banks) who had given away the lead in the 4th Q to run for what became the winning touchdown.

I rarely think one play encapsulates it all to compare two coaches but perhaps this is the exception.

I was at that Army game in '07.
Was that the one where Marler drew a penalty for marking his set point on a field goal attempt?


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 Post subject: Re: Wow
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:16 pm 
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Roller wrote:
waverider wrote:
Baywave1 wrote:
Do you remember the Army game at West Point about ten years ago? Tulane has a 4th and one at the 16 and Toledo following conventional wisdom elects to kick the FG in OT. It misses. Army makes its OT field goal and wins. Difference between Toledo and Fritz. WF goes for it on 4th and one from the 16 in OT while empowering the player (Banks) who had given away the lead in the 4th Q to run for what became the winning touchdown.

I rarely think one play encapsulates it all to compare two coaches but perhaps this is the exception.

I was at that Army game in '07.
Was that the one where Marler drew a penalty for marking his set point on a field goal attempt?


Not Seth Marler, but something like that did happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Wow
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Roller wrote:
waverider wrote:
Baywave1 wrote:
Do you remember the Army game at West Point about ten years ago? Tulane has a 4th and one at the 16 and Toledo following conventional wisdom elects to kick the FG in OT. It misses. Army makes its OT field goal and wins. Difference between Toledo and Fritz. WF goes for it on 4th and one from the 16 in OT while empowering the player (Banks) who had given away the lead in the 4th Q to run for what became the winning touchdown.

I rarely think one play encapsulates it all to compare two coaches but perhaps this is the exception.

I was at that Army game in '07.
Was that the one where Marler drew a penalty for marking his set point on a field goal attempt?

Wasn't Marler but the refs said the holder used a piece of paper or some other object to mark his spot.

I still don't think they caught that TD in bounds.

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 Post subject: Re: Wow
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Wasn't Marler but the refs said the holder used a piece of paper or some other object to mark his spot.
Yep it was a violation of an obscure rule that is rarely enforced and that was being violated the entire game (the entire season, in fact), but they chose to enforce it when it would have maximum impact on the outcome of the game.

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I still don't think they caught that TD in bounds.
They didn't. It was right at our feet (the best view we had of any play in the entire game). He was out.


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 Post subject: Re: Wow
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:21 am 
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Roller wrote:
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Wasn't Marler but the refs said the holder used a piece of paper or some other object to mark his spot.
Yep, it was a violation of an obscure rule that is rarely enforced and that was being violated the entire game (the entire season, in fact), but they chose to enforce it when it would have maximum impact on the outcome of the game.


As an official, I have to agree with you. We are taught that in the beginning of a season, or even a game, if something is a point of emphasis, then you call it all season or at least all game. It’s like the strike zone for a home plate ump. Be consistent. If kids are jawing all game and suddenly I am flagging unsportsmanlike conduct in the 4th quarter, shame on me. You jump on that the first time it happens.

And I had never heard of the above rule, at least not at the HS level. I looked.

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 Post subject: Re: Wow
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:02 pm 
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TUPF wrote:
Roller wrote:
waverider wrote:
Wasn't Marler but the refs said the holder used a piece of paper or some other object to mark his spot.
Yep, it was a violation of an obscure rule that is rarely enforced and that was being violated the entire game (the entire season, in fact), but they chose to enforce it when it would have maximum impact on the outcome of the game.


As an official, I have to agree with you. We are taught that in the beginning of a season, or even a game, if something is a point of emphasis, then you call it all season or at least all game. It’s like the strike zone for a home plate ump. Be consistent. If kids are jawing all game and suddenly I am flagging unsportsmanlike conduct in the 4th quarter, shame on me. You jump on that the first time it happens.

And I had never heard of the above rule, at least not at the HS level. I looked.

I believe it was referred to as linoleum (sp?) though probably just some sort of plastic...and it's probably something that originated with the Army coaching staff and not the refs. Much like the George Brett pine tar incident, they noticed we were doing that and waited until the most advantageous time to alert the refs. Credit to them.


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 Post subject: Re: Wow
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I guess that doubles the difference between Toledo and Fritz because I bet Fritz would pass the quiz on that obscure rule point too.


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 Post subject: Re: Wow
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Baywave1 wrote:
I guess that doubles the difference between Toledo and Fritz because I bet Fritz would pass the quiz on that obscure rule point too.

It’s probably different at the college level, at least I hope so, but you’d probably not be surprised on how uneducated most high school coaches are about the rule book. JV and youth games, forget it.

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