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Exactly DrH ! People on here were saying Jewett got the gig over the Tulane guys cuz he had experience over them. Screw this waiting for him to learn. How did that work out for Curtis Johnson? Hire the best available coach. This is why Tulane has been sucking for a good while in all the big sports. Basketball is a dumpster fire, and if Jewett doesn't't figure it out soon, Baseball will be also. When will Tulane learn.

Probably when someone from The Best High School Ever ™ is hired and not until then, obviously

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Timmy Bird would be a great basketball candidate. Could probably recruit better than MD also. Stick that up your @rse.


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At the end of the Jones Era we were already in a decline, the year we didn't make the conference tournament at all was what I thought the worst of it. Pierce came along and gave us CPR and this next jump should have been an upswing, not one where we're giving a coach room to experiment and figure things out. I thought that's why Jewett got the job over the inexperienced younger candidate.

Even if the grand scheme is that he is leaving the pitchers out to marinate so that they learn better for next time, we as a program do not have time for those kinds of games. It is understandable that the fans are losing patience. One season of transition is acceptable. Losing to all of the directional schools in our state in season 2 is not acceptable.

I am not on board for giving Jewett a long leash of a couple of more years. Nope.


Thankfully your main role is mooching off paying alumni by crashing our tailgates and not AD. A quick hook means harder to replace the coach and I love how you have no desire to build for the future. I'd call you a millenial snowflake but you are a different generation so should know better


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Exactly DrH ! People on here were saying Jewett got the gig over the Tulane guys cuz he had experience over them. Screw this waiting for him to learn. How did that work out for Curtis Johnson? Hire the best available coach. This is why Tulane has been sucking for a good while in all the big sports. Basketball is a dumpster fire, and if Jewett doesn't't figure it out soon, Baseball will be also. When will Tulane learn.


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Timmy Bird would be a great basketball candidate. Could probably recruit better than MD also. Stick that up your @rse.


Why yes we are doubling down on stupid. I can only assume Timmy Bird is a HS coach and I love the fact you want to replace an NBA coach of the year with a HS guy.


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Must have got that with Majic and the Lakers. Also got doody canned by them cuz he sucked as an NBA coach. Losing record- that's all you need to know on how good of a coach he was in the NBA. If he was such a great coach, how come he can't get any studs to come play for him? Hmmm


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Must have got that with Majic and the Lakers. Also got doody canned by them cuz he sucked as an NBA coach. Losing record- that's all you need to know on how good of a coach he was in the NBA. If he was such a great coach, how come he can't get any studs to come play for him? Hmmm


Cause he's not slipping them money would be my guess

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Must have got that with Majic and the Lakers. Also got doody canned by them cuz he sucked as an NBA coach. Losing record- that's all you need to know on how good of a coach he was in the NBA. If he was such a great coach, how come he can't get any studs to come play for him? Hmmm


Cause he's not slipping them money would be my guess

I want to confirm you want to hire a HS coach?

Not just any high school.
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Everyone needs to have patience. Easier to say though. Its just going to take time to get elite players in. Recruiting classes are already finalized thru 2020. Hiring someone else to come in here, you think the new guy is going to miraculously flip LSU recruits to us that area lready commited in 2019 and 2020 class? Not going to happen. He won't be even be in the running to get the elite guys until 2021 as all the recruits in 2019 and 2020 are committed.

Jewett inherited not a lot of talent outside of the past last years senior class. Pierce didn't recruit at all. Our top players Rowland was recruited by another player, and Witherspoon had no other offers outside of eastern cal state or some such...he was a basketball player that turned out to be great baseball player. These guys fell into pierces lap. You need great classes every year, not just one class like the seniors (Gautreau's class, top 25), hence the reason we didnt have any pitching last year. We could only throw like 6 guys.

While Pierce was our head coach, there was a major transition that happened recruiting wise. Historically you just recruited one class at a time. In 2012, lets start recruiting 2012 guys, in 2013 lets start recruiting 2013 guys and so on. When Pierce was our coach, its got earlier and earlier. This happened in 2 years he was here. By the time he left, 2016,2017, and half of the 2018 class guys were already committed, at least the players we wanted were. Pierce didnt have any commits outside of 2016 when he left.

Jewett had to get the leftovers and jucos to fill 2017, 2018, and his first true class is 2019, 2020, 2021. This was a total rebuild. Jewett will need until past 2020 season before we know if gonna work out or not. hiring a new guy now will do nothing to change the talent as its already all spoken for. i'm a big believer in jewett, its just going to take the time to get the type of players we are used to seeing in here. It's going to come down to recruiting as it does anywhere.

Everyone needs to stay on troy dannen and ensure he helps baseball any way he can. You can recruit the studs to Tulane. we did that as recently in 2013 with our last top 25 class. Believe it or not Jewett already has a commit according to perfect game for 2021 season...a freshmen currently in HS who is ranked as the top pitcher in Louisiana.

We are gonig to have to recruit like TCU. Whereas you offer the top pitchers in the country full tuition paid, get 3 of those a year and fill in the rest. They never have position players drafted high outside of 1 or so in 10 years, but they have the best pitchers in the country. But the pitchers have to be elite...throwing 93+. If you get a bunch of avg 90mph guys then you have avg pitchers, and avg position players and avg team...not a good combo. 10 years ago 90mph was the mlb average fastball. Last year it was 93...THE AVG! 90MPH is not what it used to be.


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2021. This was a total rebuild. Jewett will need until past 2020 season before we know if gonna work out or not.


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2021. This was a total rebuild. Jewett will need until past 2020 season before we know if gonna work out or not.


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Absolutely absurd


way to cherry pick the 2021 in there. lol like cnn. stand by my comment, won't know until after 2020 season. thats 4 years to eval. hiring a new guy now won't change anything, won't be able to get any of his guys in until 2021 as classes are full. sorry it doesnt fit your agenda.


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I have no agenda. I think it’s absurd that you want him to literally get a free pass until 2020.


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Wait until 2020 until we know if he is the man for the job? I think most of us already know the answer to that question.

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Everyone needs to have patience. Easier to say though. Its just going to take time to get elite players in. Recruiting classes are already finalized thru 2020. Hiring someone else to come in here, you think the new guy is going to miraculously flip LSU recruits to us that area lready commited in 2019 and 2020 class? Not going to happen. He won't be even be in the running to get the elite guys until 2021 as all the recruits in 2019 and 2020 are committed.

Jewett inherited not a lot of talent outside of the past last years senior class. Pierce didn't recruit at all. Our top players Rowland was recruited by another player, and Witherspoon had no other offers outside of eastern cal state or some such...he was a basketball player that turned out to be great baseball player. These guys fell into pierces lap. You need great classes every year, not just one class like the seniors (Gautreau's class, top 25), hence the reason we didnt have any pitching last year. We could only throw like 6 guys.

While Pierce was our head coach, there was a major transition that happened recruiting wise. Historically you just recruited one class at a time. In 2012, lets start recruiting 2012 guys, in 2013 lets start recruiting 2013 guys and so on. When Pierce was our coach, its got earlier and earlier. This happened in 2 years he was here. By the time he left, 2016,2017, and half of the 2018 class guys were already committed, at least the players we wanted were. Pierce didnt have any commits outside of 2016 when he left.

Jewett had to get the leftovers and jucos to fill 2017, 2018, and his first true class is 2019, 2020, 2021. This was a total rebuild. Jewett will need until past 2020 season before we know if gonna work out or not. hiring a new guy now will do nothing to change the talent as its already all spoken for. i'm a big believer in jewett, its just going to take the time to get the type of players we are used to seeing in here. It's going to come down to recruiting as it does anywhere.

Everyone needs to stay on troy dannen and ensure he helps baseball any way he can. You can recruit the studs to Tulane. we did that as recently in 2013 with our last top 25 class. Believe it or not Jewett already has a commit according to perfect game for 2021 season...a freshmen currently in HS who is ranked as the top pitcher in Louisiana.

We are gonig to have to recruit like TCU. Whereas you offer the top pitchers in the country full tuition paid, get 3 of those a year and fill in the rest. They never have position players drafted high outside of 1 or so in 10 years, but they have the best pitchers in the country. But the pitchers have to be elite...throwing 93+. If you get a bunch of avg 90mph guys then you have avg pitchers, and avg position players and avg team...not a good combo. 10 years ago 90mph was the mlb average fastball. Last year it was 93...THE AVG! 90MPH is not what it used to be.


A lot of this just garbage. Honestly. Jewett got here at the end of 2016. His first true class is not 2019. If you want to say most of the best players for the class he brought in this year were gone, I will grant you that point, but that just means you've got to work harder and find some late bloomers. There may have been a bunch of good 2019 kids signed when Jewett got here, but there were plenty more that had not even developed yet. He has to get those guys.
But apparently you're not interested in those guys as you don't even give Pierce credit for finding one in Witherspoon.

Think about how ridiculous that is, you give Pierce zero credit for signing Spoon, a guy who came in and was good from day 1, simply because he wasn't highly recruited. I think the jury is still out on how well Pierce recruited. Hoese, Gozzo, Artigues, Gillies Owen etc. We don't know how good they are yet.

Perfect game does have us with the best pitcher in La for the class of 2021. But they only have like 30 kids from Louisiana for the class listed. Nobody knows who will be the best pitcher in that class 3 years from now.

Having a staff full of mid 90's guys would be great and is probably the best strategy but Coastal Carolina didn't have much of that and they did ok. More than one way to win.

As for the total rebuild, I don't believe Jewett would be saying "We're going to be really good" in the postgame with the media if he knew this team was still a few years away from.

And if it takes 4 years to turn things around, explain Greg Lovelady at UCF. Took over a 25-34 team in a program that hadn't been in a Regional since 2012. Won 40 his 1st year. 11-3 right now.


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Exactly DrH ! People on here were saying Jewett got the gig over the Tulane guys cuz he had experience over them. Screw this waiting for him to learn. How did that work out for Curtis Johnson? Hire the best available coach. This is why Tulane has been sucking for a good while in all the big sports. Basketball is a dumpster fire, and if Jewett doesn't't figure it out soon, Baseball will be also. When will Tulane learn.

Probably when someone from The Best High School Ever ™ is hired and not until then, obviously

Rummel pitching is 1-0 against Purdue. Just saying. 8)

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Exactly DrH ! People on here were saying Jewett got the gig over the Tulane guys cuz he had experience over them. Screw this waiting for him to learn. How did that work out for Curtis Johnson? Hire the best available coach. This is why Tulane has been sucking for a good while in all the big sports. Basketball is a dumpster fire, and if Jewett doesn't't figure it out soon, Baseball will be also. When will Tulane learn.

Probably when someone from The Best High School Ever ™ is hired and not until then, obviously

Rummel pitching is 1-0 against Purdue. Just saying. 8)

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RollWaveRoll wrote:
Everyone needs to have patience. Easier to say though. Its just going to take time to get elite players in. Recruiting classes are already finalized thru 2020. Hiring someone else to come in here, you think the new guy is going to miraculously flip LSU recruits to us that area lready commited in 2019 and 2020 class? Not going to happen. He won't be even be in the running to get the elite guys until 2021 as all the recruits in 2019 and 2020 are committed.

Jewett inherited not a lot of talent outside of the past last years senior class. Pierce didn't recruit at all. Our top players Rowland was recruited by another player, and Witherspoon had no other offers outside of eastern cal state or some such...he was a basketball player that turned out to be great baseball player. These guys fell into pierces lap. You need great classes every year, not just one class like the seniors (Gautreau's class, top 25), hence the reason we didnt have any pitching last year. We could only throw like 6 guys.

While Pierce was our head coach, there was a major transition that happened recruiting wise. Historically you just recruited one class at a time. In 2012, lets start recruiting 2012 guys, in 2013 lets start recruiting 2013 guys and so on. When Pierce was our coach, its got earlier and earlier. This happened in 2 years he was here. By the time he left, 2016,2017, and half of the 2018 class guys were already committed, at least the players we wanted were. Pierce didnt have any commits outside of 2016 when he left.

Jewett had to get the leftovers and jucos to fill 2017, 2018, and his first true class is 2019, 2020, 2021. This was a total rebuild. Jewett will need until past 2020 season before we know if gonna work out or not. hiring a new guy now will do nothing to change the talent as its already all spoken for. i'm a big believer in jewett, its just going to take the time to get the type of players we are used to seeing in here. It's going to come down to recruiting as it does anywhere.

Everyone needs to stay on troy dannen and ensure he helps baseball any way he can. You can recruit the studs to Tulane. we did that as recently in 2013 with our last top 25 class. Believe it or not Jewett already has a commit according to perfect game for 2021 season...a freshmen currently in HS who is ranked as the top pitcher in Louisiana.

We are gonig to have to recruit like TCU. Whereas you offer the top pitchers in the country full tuition paid, get 3 of those a year and fill in the rest. They never have position players drafted high outside of 1 or so in 10 years, but they have the best pitchers in the country. But the pitchers have to be elite...throwing 93+. If you get a bunch of avg 90mph guys then you have avg pitchers, and avg position players and avg team...not a good combo. 10 years ago 90mph was the mlb average fastball. Last year it was 93...THE AVG! 90MPH is not what it used to be.


A lot of this just garbage. Honestly. Jewett got here at the end of 2016. His first true class is not 2019. If you want to say most of the best players for the class he brought in this year were gone, I will grant you that point, but that just means you've got to work harder and find some late bloomers. There may have been a bunch of good 2019 kids signed when Jewett got here, but there were plenty more that had not even developed yet. He has to get those guys.
But apparently you're not interested in those guys as you don't even give Pierce credit for finding one in Witherspoon.

Think about how ridiculous that is, you give Pierce zero credit for signing Spoon, a guy who came in and was good from day 1, simply because he wasn't highly recruited. I think the jury is still out on how well Pierce recruited. Hoese, Gozzo, Artigues, Gillies Owen etc. We don't know how good they are yet.

Perfect game does have us with the best pitcher in La for the class of 2021. But they only have like 30 kids from Louisiana for the class listed. Nobody knows who will be the best pitcher in that class 3 years from now.

Having a staff full of mid 90's guys would be great and is probably the best strategy but Coastal Carolina didn't have much of that and they did ok. More than one way to win.

As for the total rebuild, I don't believe Jewett would be saying "We're going to be really good" in the postgame with the media if he knew this team was still a few years away from.

And if it takes 4 years to turn things around, explain Greg Lovelady at UCF. Took over a 25-34 team in a program that hadn't been in a Regional since 2012. Won 40 his 1st year. 11-3 right now.


The top talent is spoken for until 2020. Fact. Spoon is terrific ball player, never said he wasn't. My point was Pierce didn't have to do anything to get him as spoon had no where to go. Pierce gets all the credit. Thankfully us tulane fans he turned out to be great. But he's he exception not the rule, 99% of the time those don't pan out. Spoon is going to go down as one our all time great OFers. Blue chips are what we hope for.

Jewett has to get the late bloomers? Yeah I hope he does but again , that's the exception. Can't go to omaha on diamonds in the rough late bloomers.

Coastal carolina? Again that's the exception, happened one time in history of college baseball. Is that how far we've fallen where we can't get the blue chips and have to settle for the diamonds in the rough and hoping to get a late bloomer? I hope not.

Greg lovelady has done a phenominal job at UCf. He inherited top 25 talent. Jewett did not. Ucf 2013 class was 27th, 2014 was 19th, and 2015 class was 10th, top freaking 10! That's how lovelady had done it at UCF.

Here is what Pierce left jewett. 2013-5th best class, 2014-98th, 2015-61st, 2016-57th. And guess what, we are probably a top 75 team and UCF is a top 25. Gee I wonder why.

Need to give jewett couple more years after this one to try and get the talent level back to what we want.


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Spoon did have other places to go. I can’t remember if Pierce said what school he was considering but on his radio show Pierce told the story of how he got Spoon. Said he had a bad visit, thought we were going to lose him.

I’m not asking him to get to Omaha. Get to the postseason in the meantime. You can’t just give anyone 4 years of free passes.

According to you, all the blue chips are taken for the next couple years. So our choices are either get the late blooming diamonds in the rough for now or just get terrible players. Your call.


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Spoon is good and a fan favorite but he's not one of the best of all time. I know it's been a while since we have had a truly great outfielder and so things get skewed but that doesn't make him great.

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He’s pretty dang good. Since day one too.
Hard to compare across era’s with the bat changes too.


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It's the defense that separates the good from the great. That clearly spans the era's.

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Pierce’s recruiting in both years was not that bad. The first year, Jeremy came in with Spoon, Rowland, DeHart, Simms, Rutter (who would have definitely helped if not for the injury), Artigues, Matthews, Galy, Glancy (who would have been a major contributor if not for a terrible knew reconstruction), Heinrichs, Colletti, Pierce son, Oakley, Cade Edwards, Anthony Forte, Garrett Gray, and Massey. Not a bad class at all.

In year two, he signed Gillies, Solesky, Sal and Paul Gozzo, Hoese, Kobi Owen, Andrews, Price, Hogan, and Schnake. But the huge loss was a couple of pitchers who never showed up and Zubia who is the Texas clean up hitter as a redshirt freshman. He was on a couple of other guys that went elsewhere after he left. There was also a catcher who left in December. With Zubia and a couple of pitchers that may havec stayed or committed , I think this class is somewhat undervalued.

Jewett inherited talent but lost the team early. The 2016 team hit 66 HR’s and the 2017 team hit 70 HR’s with Hope and Jeremy missing 57 starts. The 2005 team hit 84 playing 10 more games with the 2005 aluminum bat. The teams in 2016 and 2017 would have hit nearly a 100 dingers with the 2005 bat technology.


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Pierce’s recruiting in both years was not that bad. The first year, Jeremy came in with Spoon, Rowland, DeHart, Simms, Rutter (who would have definitely helped if not for the injury), Artigues, Matthews, Galy, Glancy (who would have been a major contributor if not for a terrible knew reconstruction), Heinrichs, Colletti, Pierce son, Oakley, Cade Edwards, Anthony Forte, Garrett Gray, and Massey. Not a bad class at all.

In year two, he signed Gillies, Solesky, Sal and Paul Gozzo, Hoese, Kobi Owen, Andrews, Price, Hogan, and Schnake. But the huge loss was a couple of pitchers who never showed up and Zubia who is the Texas clean up hitter as a redshirt freshman. He was on a couple of other guys that went elsewhere after he left. There was also a catcher who left in December. With Zubia and a couple of pitchers that may havec stayed or committed , I think this class is somewhat undervalued.

Jewett inherited talent but lost the team early. The 2016 team hit 66 HR’s and the 2017 team hit 70 HR’s with Hope and Jeremy missing 57 starts. The 2005 team hit 84 playing 10 more games with the 2005 aluminum bat. The teams in 2016 and 2017 would have hit nearly a 100 dingers with the 2005 bat technology.


All you did there was list everyone he brought in. In the first paragraph only your son and Spoon could be considered good. Rowland may end up being a contributor this year but had done nothing previously. As for Massey he was coming here all along. Plus he's yet to prove he's good.


In the second paragraph Gillies looks like he will be a good weekend starter if he continues what he's done early this season. Solesky is ok but hasn't proven to be good. None of the others are good players.

He did not inherit a lot of talent. He had guys with power but who also set records for strikeouts. Hope is the all time NCAA leader in that category IIRC. You say he lost the team others say the seniors acted like spoiled brats and quit on him.

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You have zero clue about losing the team. You are a fan. I was there. You have zero clue. I have never posted anything about last that was not true and some of this has been verified by none other than our own coach. And to call these kids out as no good sucks on your behalf. Artigues has turned into a hell of a player. Matthews is going to be a good hitter at this level. Colletti, DeHart, and Glancy could all play at this level. Sal Gozzo and Kobi are going to be major contributors. And Zubia was special. For you to signal out these kids as players without talent sucks. Just shut your big mouth about these kids and watch the games.


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