Ye Olde Green Wave Forum

The DEFINITIVE Tulane discussion forum
It is currently Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:23 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:59 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle

Joined: Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:18 am
Posts: 18009
Location: Beautiful Dutchtown
I know it's "just women's golf." It's also a sport in which we were nationally competitive just 2 years ago (and for the previous 5).
But this is ridiculous.
Fall
S Alabama* 1/1 +10
Northwester 15/15 -66
UNC 15/18 -58
San Jose 13/14 -56
Spring
Sugar Bowl 17/17 -69
UCF 16/16 -48
Clemson 14/15 -64
Oregon 17/17 -28
*A bunch of southland and SWAC opponents; the other tournaments were major universities and nationally competitive programs.

Where are the standards at this University?
Are you watching, Troy Dannen?

_________________
A refreshing culture of standards, expectations and accountability is upon us.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:23 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:52 am
Posts: 19661
Location: Cincinnati, OH
So what changed? New coach? Poor recruiting and graduations?

You said it yourself, it's "only". The question is, what matters? And everyone here has different answers. Some love only football. Some like all sports. Some (disproportionately many) here love baseball. Some only care about what will get us to a power conference when the next realignment occurs.

Personally - and this is just my opinion, not claiming it's the "right" one - I believe the latter is all that matters. Eventually there will be another realignment and we need to have our (stuff) straight and our resume sharpened up when it happens, especially because it could be "the big one", the long-discussed secession from the NCAA (and if that happens, if we're not in, we might as well go D3). And if and when anything happens, they're going to look at football success*** at about 75%-85%, MBB success*** at about 13%-23%, and everything else (including VB, WBB, and, yes, baseball) at about 2%.

Not that I don't want Tulane to succeed in every sport, but if Dannen can build a winning football program by channeling funds there at the expense of being bad in those other sports, I'd live with it. The jury is very much out on whether that's working at this point.

*** if the success of one is really great, the other could be less important, i.e., if you play in a New Years Day bowl in football, your MBB could get a pass, and vice-versa if your MBB team regularly goes to the Sweet 16, your football team would only need to be in the "5-7 to 8-4, small bowls 3 of every five years" range.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:25 pm 
Offline
Regent's Circle
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:54 pm
Posts: 6292
Location: Dripping Springs
GSx wrote:
I know it's "just women's golf." It's also a sport in which we were nationally competitive just 2 years ago (and for the previous 5).
But this is ridiculous.
Fall
S Alabama* 1/1 +10
Northwester 15/15 -66
UNC 15/18 -58
San Jose 13/14 -56
Spring
Sugar Bowl 17/17 -69
UCF 16/16 -48
Clemson 14/15 -64
Oregon 17/17 -28
*A bunch of southland and SWAC opponents; the other tournaments were major universities and nationally competitive programs.

Where are the standards at this University?
Are you watching, Troy Dannen?


I'm with you GSx. This cratering is totally on Dannen's watch. All sports need to win or be at least competitive. These results are simply unacceptable.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:34 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:21 am 
Offline
Coach Level

Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:35 pm
Posts: 2396
Location: Amarillo by Morning
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.


By that logic I guess women's basketball and volleyball should be glad they have scholarships too and the AD not spend any money on them either? Those women work just as hard as the football players and deserve to be given the resources needed to compete at the highest level.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:56 am 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
double d wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.


By that logic I guess women's basketball and volleyball should be glad they have scholarships too and the AD not spend any money on them either?


Pretty much yeah. Do you disagree with my premise?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:57 am 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
double d wrote:
windywave wrote:
Those women work just as hard as the football players and deserve to be given the resources needed to compete at the highest level.


What resources are they being denied? Who said anything about denying them resources?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:29 am 
Offline
Coach Level
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 8:43 pm
Posts: 2041
Location: Baton Rouge
double d wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.


Those women work just as hard as the football players and deserve to be given the resources needed to compete at the highest level.


Garbage men work just as hard as attorneys. The should get paid as much. Giving people what they deserve is pretty precarious. There are athletes that don't deserve to be at Tulane because of their mediocre academic credentials. However, the university is a better place for having those athletes represent the school on the field. "Work just as hard;" how many Golfers, male or female, get concussions, blow out knees and shoulders, and otherwise get injuries that will affect their ability to live a normal functional life 30-40 years down the road. It's not a fair comparison and its probably the case that title IX gets golfers on scholarship a better deal than they deserve.

_________________
Quote:The Good - TULANE
The Bad - LSU
THe Ugly - USM


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:12 am 
Offline
Regent's Circle

Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:19 pm
Posts: 9482
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:17 am 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:32 am 
Offline
Regent's Circle

Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:19 pm
Posts: 9482
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote

If you provide them with a positive experience while playing at your school they/their families will be more likely to donate money. If instead, you treat them like 3rd class citizens only there to check off a Title 9 box then...good luck.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:23 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote

If you provide them with a positive experience while playing at your school they/their families will be more likely to donate money. If instead, you treat them like 3rd class citizens only there to check off a Title 9 box then...good luck.


Your post is beyond stupid. Read what I wrote and it become clear why your post is imbecilic


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:43 pm 
Offline
Coach Level

Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:07 am
Posts: 2326
Why do you constantly insult people who are trying to engage in conversation with you? You are the stupid one for talking down to some very nice people. The way you converse with people sucks.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:49 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
tjtlja wrote:
Why do you constantly insult people who are trying to engage in conversation with you? You are the stupid one for talking down to some very nice people. The way you converse with people sucks.


Getting defensive and making ad hominem attacks is a sure indicator someone is losing an argument. You're both with your post.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:56 pm 
Offline
Regent's Circle

Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:19 pm
Posts: 9482
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote

If you provide them with a positive experience while playing at your school they/their families will be more likely to donate money. If instead, you treat them like 3rd class citizens only there to check off a Title 9 box then...good luck.


Your post is beyond stupid. Read what I wrote and it become clear why your post is imbecilic

If by "Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football" you mean something other than "it's good that we're not good in golf" then your writing is not nearly as clear as you imagine it to be. If you just don't care about the golf team, that's fine but not a reason to tolerate the current performance. Dannen is in charge of the entire athletic department, not just the football team. If we're going to do something, we should strive to do it well. Not caring is a loser mentality that I doubt Dannen shares.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:19 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote

If you provide them with a positive experience while playing at your school they/their families will be more likely to donate money. If instead, you treat them like 3rd class citizens only there to check off a Title 9 box then...good luck.


Your post is beyond stupid. Read what I wrote and it become clear why your post is imbecilic

If by "Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football" you mean something other than "it's good that we're not good in golf" then your writing is not nearly as clear as you imagine it to be.


See, you read it an all was revealed (although indifference is more accurate than thinking it is good). Now do you see why Ibtook exception to you putting words in my mouth?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:44 pm 
Offline
Regent's Circle

Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:19 pm
Posts: 9482
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote

If you provide them with a positive experience while playing at your school they/their families will be more likely to donate money. If instead, you treat them like 3rd class citizens only there to check off a Title 9 box then...good luck.


Your post is beyond stupid. Read what I wrote and it become clear why your post is imbecilic

If by "Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football" you mean something other than "it's good that we're not good in golf" then your writing is not nearly as clear as you imagine it to be.


See, you read it an all was revealed (although indifference is more accurate than thinking it is good). Now do you see why Ibtook exception to you putting words in my mouth?

So, back to my original point that this is incredibly short-sighted thinking. And to answer your question, no for several reasons, not the least of which is because I don't see what words I put in your mouth.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:51 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:13 pm
Posts: 18522
Location: Chicago
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote

If you provide them with a positive experience while playing at your school they/their families will be more likely to donate money. If instead, you treat them like 3rd class citizens only there to check off a Title 9 box then...good luck.


Your post is beyond stupid. Read what I wrote and it become clear why your post is imbecilic

If by "Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football" you mean something other than "it's good that we're not good in golf" then your writing is not nearly as clear as you imagine it to be.


See, you read it an all was revealed (although indifference is more accurate than thinking it is good). Now do you see why Ibtook exception to you putting words in my mouth?

So, back to my original point that this is incredibly short-sighted thinking. And to answer your question, no for several reasons, not the least of which is because I don't see what words I put in your mouth.


What is short sighted? There are rich mediocre golfers too.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:34 pm 
Offline
Regent's Circle

Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:19 pm
Posts: 9482
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
ml wave wrote:
windywave wrote:
Women's golf exists to be Title IX compliant for football scholarships. If they are on scholarship they are doing their job. Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football.

This is incredibly short-sighted thinking. What could we possibly spend on the margin to make the postseason in golf, 20k (most probably way less)? Golfers tend to come from money, that 20k could wind up being a very wise investment down the road. Not to mention, unless it's your contention that we are intentionally bad in golf, there's no reason to tolerate this level of performance.


How is it short sighted? Not caring if they don't make the post season doesn't mean rich kids won't still be on the team. I invite you to read what I wrote

If you provide them with a positive experience while playing at your school they/their families will be more likely to donate money. If instead, you treat them like 3rd class citizens only there to check off a Title 9 box then...good luck.


Your post is beyond stupid. Read what I wrote and it become clear why your post is imbecilic

If by "Post season play in golf sucks up funds that could be spent on football" you mean something other than "it's good that we're not good in golf" then your writing is not nearly as clear as you imagine it to be.


See, you read it an all was revealed (although indifference is more accurate than thinking it is good). Now do you see why Ibtook exception to you putting words in my mouth?

So, back to my original point that this is incredibly short-sighted thinking. And to answer your question, no for several reasons, not the least of which is because I don't see what words I put in your mouth.


What is short sighted? There are rich mediocre golfers too.

Well, I guess we've gone full circle with this one!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Women's Golf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:09 pm 
Offline
Emerald Circle

Joined: Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:18 am
Posts: 18009
Location: Beautiful Dutchtown
Finished tied for 3rd to last (or 7th) in AAC tournament.

Title IX has nothing to do with this sad state; neither does football.

_________________
A refreshing culture of standards, expectations and accountability is upon us.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: gerryb323, W5B7S4B3 and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group