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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:12 pm 
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Re: the grad transfer rule...here's the thing...most of these guys aren't all that good in the first place. A handful of them are, and it sucks for the team losing them to miss out on their last year. However, for every one of those, there are four or five kids like Chris Davenport or Jeremy Peoples who are buried on a depth chart somewhere and just looking for a chance to play some ball. If you look at the list of grad transfers for this year, many (if not most) of them are total non-factors at their current programs.

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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
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Re: the grad transfer rule...here's the thing...most of these guys aren't all that good in the first place. A handful of them are, and it sucks for the team losing them to miss out on their last year. However, for every one of those, there are four or five kids like Chris Davenport or Jeremy Peoples who are buried on a depth chart somewhere and just looking for a chance to play some ball. If you look at the list of grad transfers for this year, many (if not most) of them are total non-factors at their current programs.


There is some truth to that, but the Wake player and Diaz were both rising starters. I'm not sore at Diaz either. He used rules in place. I just think they should still sit out a year before they are eligible. It's just like one-and-dones in basketball, and football JCs who enter draft after first one semester. It has nothing to do with being a"student-athlete." Many athletes are students second, but the one semester crowd barely goes to class. I would be for rewarding them with an 5th year of on field eligibility, I.E: sit, play, Play(extra) if they are willing show they are actually in grad school to be a student. I understand that Freshman Have immediate eligibility. They have an argument to play beacuse they are generally at least quarter of the warm bodies on the team.

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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
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TU23 wrote:
Re: the grad transfer rule...here's the thing...most of these guys aren't all that good in the first place. A handful of them are, and it sucks for the team losing them to miss out on their last year. However, for every one of those, there are four or five kids like Chris Davenport or Jeremy Peoples who are buried on a depth chart somewhere and just looking for a chance to play some ball. If you look at the list of grad transfers for this year, many (if not most) of them are total non-factors at their current programs.


There is some truth to that, but the Wake player and Diaz were both rising starters. I'm not sore at Diaz either. He used rules in place. I just think they should still sit out a year before they are eligible. It's just like one-and-dones in basketball, and football JCs who enter draft after first one semester. It has nothing to do with being a"student-athlete." Many athletes are students second, but the one semester crowd barely goes to class. I would be for rewarding them with an 5th year of on field eligibility, I.E: sit, play, Play(extra) if they are willing show they are actually in grad school to be a student. I understand that Freshman Have immediate eligibility. They have an argument to play beacuse they are generally at least quarter of the warm bodies on the team.

They've graduated...it's literally everything to do with being a student-athlete.


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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
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Poseidon wrote:
TU23 wrote:
Re: the grad transfer rule...here's the thing...most of these guys aren't all that good in the first place. A handful of them are, and it sucks for the team losing them to miss out on their last year. However, for every one of those, there are four or five kids like Chris Davenport or Jeremy Peoples who are buried on a depth chart somewhere and just looking for a chance to play some ball. If you look at the list of grad transfers for this year, many (if not most) of them are total non-factors at their current programs.


There is some truth to that, but the Wake player and Diaz were both rising starters. I'm not sore at Diaz either. He used rules in place. I just think they should still sit out a year before they are eligible. It's just like one-and-dones in basketball, and football JCs who enter draft after first one semester. It has nothing to do with being a"student-athlete." Many athletes are students second, but the one semester crowd barely goes to class. I would be for rewarding them with an 5th year of on field eligibility, I.E: sit, play, Play(extra) if they are willing show they are actually in grad school to be a student. I understand that Freshman Have immediate eligibility. They have an argument to play beacuse they are generally at least quarter of the warm bodies on the team.

They've graduated...it's literally everything to do with being a student-athlete.


Why do they have to go to grad school at all then? :roll: The whole bloody point of the grad transfer rule is to allow those who want to go to grad school the ability to use eligibility if they have any left and not restrict their choice for grad school subjects areas. More specifically if they want to pursue a grad degree not offered at their current school go to one that does offer it. It was made so they could continue their studies without restriction. NOT continue their football career without restriction. However, that is what is has become. All you have to do is sign up for a grad program your current school doesn't offer. It was not a present for graduating!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
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Here's another lineman that is transferring.

http://www.gatorsports.com/2018/05/uf-l ... raduation/

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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
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Poseidon wrote:
ml wave wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
TU23 wrote:
Re: the grad transfer rule...here's the thing...most of these guys aren't all that good in the first place. A handful of them are, and it sucks for the team losing them to miss out on their last year. However, for every one of those, there are four or five kids like Chris Davenport or Jeremy Peoples who are buried on a depth chart somewhere and just looking for a chance to play some ball. If you look at the list of grad transfers for this year, many (if not most) of them are total non-factors at their current programs.


There is some truth to that, but the Wake player and Diaz were both rising starters. I'm not sore at Diaz either. He used rules in place. I just think they should still sit out a year before they are eligible. It's just like one-and-dones in basketball, and football JCs who enter draft after first one semester. It has nothing to do with being a"student-athlete." Many athletes are students second, but the one semester crowd barely goes to class. I would be for rewarding them with an 5th year of on field eligibility, I.E: sit, play, Play(extra) if they are willing show they are actually in grad school to be a student. I understand that Freshman Have immediate eligibility. They have an argument to play beacuse they are generally at least quarter of the warm bodies on the team.

They've graduated...it's literally everything to do with being a student-athlete.


Why do they have to go to grad school at all then? :roll: The whole bloody point of the grad transfer rule is to allow those who want to go to grad school the ability to use eligibility if they have any left and not restrict their choice for grad school subjects areas. More specifically if they want to pursue a grad degree not offered at their current school go to one that does offer it. It was made so they could continue their studies without restriction. NOT continue their football career without restriction. However, that is what is has become. All you have to do is sign up for a grad program your current school doesn't offer. It was not a present for graduating!!!

Curious as to what you think you gain by restricting the ability of student athletes to transfer?


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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
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ml wave wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
ml wave wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
TU23 wrote:
Re: the grad transfer rule...here's the thing...most of these guys aren't all that good in the first place. A handful of them are, and it sucks for the team losing them to miss out on their last year. However, for every one of those, there are four or five kids like Chris Davenport or Jeremy Peoples who are buried on a depth chart somewhere and just looking for a chance to play some ball. If you look at the list of grad transfers for this year, many (if not most) of them are total non-factors at their current programs.


There is some truth to that, but the Wake player and Diaz were both rising starters. I'm not sore at Diaz either. He used rules in place. I just think they should still sit out a year before they are eligible. It's just like one-and-dones in basketball, and football JCs who enter draft after first one semester. It has nothing to do with being a"student-athlete." Many athletes are students second, but the one semester crowd barely goes to class. I would be for rewarding them with an 5th year of on field eligibility, I.E: sit, play, Play(extra) if they are willing show they are actually in grad school to be a student. I understand that Freshman Have immediate eligibility. They have an argument to play beacuse they are generally at least quarter of the warm bodies on the team.

They've graduated...it's literally everything to do with being a student-athlete.


Why do they have to go to grad school at all then? :roll: The whole bloody point of the grad transfer rule is to allow those who want to go to grad school the ability to use eligibility if they have any left and not restrict their choice for grad school subjects areas. More specifically if they want to pursue a grad degree not offered at their current school go to one that does offer it. It was made so they could continue their studies without restriction. NOT continue their football career without restriction. However, that is what is has become. All you have to do is sign up for a grad program your current school doesn't offer. It was not a present for graduating!!!

Curious as to what you think you gain by restricting the ability of student athletes to transfer?


Well the person transferring may likely gain nothing. They could gain an extra year or more of grad school paid for. That said the current transfer restrictions on underclassmen aren't in place to benefit the transferring player. Many of the hazards that would be present if there where no restrictions on transferring are the argument. The biggest being player poaching by larger schools with deeper pocket$. The Grad transfer rule was created under the thought of academic hardship in the same way when a school drops an academic program the player may transfer to another schools with that program and be immediately eligible. This happened with a few Tulane players after Katrina, for better and worse. However, even graduating in 3 years is not exceptional these days. Again with 3 years of summer classes and credits that transfer in from high school this is doable. If no rule is in place the Football programs are incentivized to drag degree programs out to ensure that players don't leave after 3 and 4 years. How does that benefit players? I personally don't like it because it treats college football players even more like hired guns. While some are hired guns, most aren't by the time they are upperclassmen and realize they aren't playing pro ball. This hurts them. Program cultures are a real thing and being held up to hired gun expectations while trying to take your degree seriously is a real conflict. If your at a school like Tulane or just take your education very seriously being treated like a hired gun by coaches etc. is a grind on your education. What most do is take on less time and energy consuming degrees. Others just choose to go through the motions on the practice field. Some even walk away from the sport with eligibility left. So I guess the answer to your question is it benefits those committed to the program and degree path the most.

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 Post subject: Re: Time of Wake game
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Poseidon wrote:
ml wave wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
ml wave wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
TU23 wrote:
Re: the grad transfer rule...here's the thing...most of these guys aren't all that good in the first place. A handful of them are, and it sucks for the team losing them to miss out on their last year. However, for every one of those, there are four or five kids like Chris Davenport or Jeremy Peoples who are buried on a depth chart somewhere and just looking for a chance to play some ball. If you look at the list of grad transfers for this year, many (if not most) of them are total non-factors at their current programs.


There is some truth to that, but the Wake player and Diaz were both rising starters. I'm not sore at Diaz either. He used rules in place. I just think they should still sit out a year before they are eligible. It's just like one-and-dones in basketball, and football JCs who enter draft after first one semester. It has nothing to do with being a"student-athlete." Many athletes are students second, but the one semester crowd barely goes to class. I would be for rewarding them with an 5th year of on field eligibility, I.E: sit, play, Play(extra) if they are willing show they are actually in grad school to be a student. I understand that Freshman Have immediate eligibility. They have an argument to play beacuse they are generally at least quarter of the warm bodies on the team.

They've graduated...it's literally everything to do with being a student-athlete.


Why do they have to go to grad school at all then? :roll: The whole bloody point of the grad transfer rule is to allow those who want to go to grad school the ability to use eligibility if they have any left and not restrict their choice for grad school subjects areas. More specifically if they want to pursue a grad degree not offered at their current school go to one that does offer it. It was made so they could continue their studies without restriction. NOT continue their football career without restriction. However, that is what is has become. All you have to do is sign up for a grad program your current school doesn't offer. It was not a present for graduating!!!

Curious as to what you think you gain by restricting the ability of student athletes to transfer?


Well the person transferring may likely gain nothing. They could gain an extra year or more of grad school paid for. That said the current transfer restrictions on underclassmen aren't in place to benefit the transferring player. Many of the hazards that would be present if there where no restrictions on transferring are the argument. The biggest being player poaching by larger schools with deeper pocket$. The Grad transfer rule was created under the thought of academic hardship in the same way when a school drops an academic program the player may transfer to another schools with that program and be immediately eligible. This happened with a few Tulane players after Katrina, for better and worse. However, even graduating in 3 years is not exceptional these days. Again with 3 years of summer classes and credits that transfer in from high school this is doable. If no rule is in place the Football programs are incentivized to drag degree programs out to ensure that players don't leave after 3 and 4 years. How does that benefit players? I personally don't like it because it treats college football players even more like hired guns. While some are hired guns, most aren't by the time they are upperclassmen and realize they aren't playing pro ball. This hurts them. Program cultures are a real thing and being held up to hired gun expectations while trying to take your degree seriously is a real conflict. If your at a school like Tulane or just take your education very seriously being treated like a hired gun by coaches etc. is a grind on your education. What most do is take on less time and energy consuming degrees. Others just choose to go through the motions on the practice field. Some even walk away from the sport with eligibility left. So I guess the answer to your question is it benefits those committed to the program and degree path the most.

Doesn't the current rule benefit those committed to the degree path the most?


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