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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:03 am 
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A Yahoo article showing the "hot seats" in the P5 this season... Big 12 includes Kansas... in the paragraph the reporter includes Willie Fritz (and Ken Niumatalolo) as a potential candidates should the job open up.

Seriously? You have just insulted both of those men and any other decent head coach. NOBODY is that stupid. Why would an established head coach want to take over a dumpster fire like Kansas? It's not like they've EVER been good. That job will forever be the proving ground for an assistant turned head coach. To think Fritz or Niumatalolo would leave far better situations for Kansas is absurd.. and yes, Tulane and Navy are FAR better situations than Kansas.. even with a seat at the P5 table.

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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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Johnny Mac - Fritz and his family and his top assistants are all from Kansas. They have deep roots there and it would be a homecoming. He’s proven himself and if he can turn Tulane around, Kansas would be easy. Texas was a dumpster fire and nothing a little extra cash won’t fix.

Fritz’ ideal situation was Georgia Southern, he was on a roll, but money talks and as much as it pained him to break up he left for the money and said so in that audio recording. Tulane is not his home. He is doing an amazing job dragging our lame butts across the finish line - I am in awe of how relentless he’s been with every aspect of running the program despite all obstacles.

If he gets a pot of gold at Kansas, he deserves every penny of it as well as our best wishes and congratulations for having done well by us.


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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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DrHullabaloo wrote:
Johnny Mac - Fritz and his family and his top assistants are all from Kansas. They have deep roots there and it would be a homecoming. He’s proven himself and if he can turn Tulane around, Kansas would be easy. Texas was a dumpster fire and nothing a little extra cash won’t fix.

Fritz’ ideal situation was Georgia Southern, he was on a roll, but money talks and as much as it pained him to break up he left for the money and said so in that audio recording. Tulane is not his home. He is doing an amazing job dragging our lame butts across the finish line - I am in awe of how relentless he’s been with every aspect of running the program despite all obstacles.

If he gets a pot of gold at Kansas, he deserves every penny of it as well as our best wishes and congratulations for having done well by us.


All well and good, but the dumpster fire of Kansas probably won't pay up and would kill his career. He's known as a turn around specialist. He will get us turned around for sure but KU man oh man that's building a program from scratch that will get their heads kicked in during conference play. It is probably the worst football job in D1.

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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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I've never understood the he's (she's) from (fill in the blank), as a strong reason for someone to change jobs and move to wherever they came from, especially for older people. I'm from Pennsylvania, which I have deep affection for, but I'm not longing to move back.


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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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And as someone who was able to retire early at age 60, I will tell you that something changes in your head when you reach your upper 50s and you have already exceeded most of the goals you put in front of yourself in your 20s. Once the long term financial security aspects are satisfied, you realize right at the age Fritz is now that life is good and that there is no need or desire to scale yet another mountain. Sure, there are some who need the continual affirmation of yet another challenge—those folks are never satisfied anyway and will either die at their desk or reach the Peter Principle. There’s no talking to those people.

I am going to relish the successful rebuild that Fritz is giving us and if he decides to take himself and his entourage to Kansas eventually, so be it. I will wish him well and thank him for his service. Because of what I wrote above, it won’t be as much about the money as it will as another hill to climb.

And I agree with TU77. If you have had an itinerant lifestyle such as I have had and all Div. 1 coaches have had, you have chosen that lifestyle and are quite comfortable with it. It’s hard for the “what high school did you go to” crowd to understand, but oftentimes there is no “home”. It’s a place to visit relatives every so often but you have been exposed to so much more and oftentimes prefer where you are over where you were.

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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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I've heard Fritz's name mentioned in connection with the Kansas job almost since the moment he came here. Already this summer, I've heard three separate college football journalists mention him as a candidate for the job. That probably won't ever go away unless Kansas finds a winner and the position stabilizes.

Kansas would be a MASSIVE turnaround job on a far greater order of magnitude than even what he took over at Tulane. Their talent alone is sub-par and will take several years to replenish to any respectable level and they aren't exactly in a recruiting hotbed. They also play some good to great programs every season in the current Big 12. Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., TCU, West Virginia, and even Kansas St. aren't going to be overcome overnight and Kansas is still way behind the likes of Texas Tech and Iowa St. Fritz would need to think more than twice before taking that on.

I think Windy is right, if you throw 6mm/year at him and Kansas (or any school) commits the necessary resources (including time to build) then there's a strong chance he's gone. I doubt Kansas is going to throw that kind of money around, but maybe it happens. Meanwhile, Fritz has a chance to become a legend at Tulane. If sticks around and builds a consistent winner here, including winning some conference titles and bowl games, we'll build a statue of him. That's not a bad finish to an already very good coaching career.


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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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Fritz as of yet still does not have a winning record. We've noted repeatedly that he is much older than the typical profile for P5 HC candidates. Plus he runs a very unconventional offense. (To paraphrase, LongGreen here, "I'm sure the KU beat writers will ecstatically welcome a sixty year old option coach to save Kansas football and sing Hosannas about the KU AD and President who hired him." )

Nonetheless if Tulane say wins AAC and gets G5 New Year's Access slot then we have an atypical situation and courters for Fritz could come calling. Still a lot of ifs.

I hope we have this problem. I'm rooting for us to be in this horrible thicket. I'm tired of losing like all of you. I want us to have coaches that other schools want to throw money at. We simply have to keep hiring well if and when we lose them and with Tulane's history that's problematic.


Meanwhile Tulane's university employment policy has been to pay competitively for proven performance. This includes facilities. It's not a given that Fritz could be bought away.


Finally it's one thing to do a total rebuild when you're forty. It's another to want to do it when you're sixty.


Again I look forward to Fritz winning and this forum advising Dannen how to manage that sticky wicket.


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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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Everyone makes some pretty decent points. Also remember that just 10 years ago Kansas finished the season 12-1. That's 10 years more recent than Tulane. Many saw us at the Kansas of the AAC just two years ago. CWF knows how to recruit the area, all the JC's, and how to dip into Texas. That said, at his age K-State is the job that pulls him away IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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Finishing 12-1 in 2007 is an eternity ago in college football terms. Illinois and Hawaii were in BCS games that season. The Big 12 has seen a net change of 6 different teams since then. I don't think looking back to 2007 says much about Kansas' chances in 2018 and beyond.

I do agree that Kansas St. is a more appealing job right now. That job could also come open any time. I'll say this, if I were a K St. fan I'd feel better with trying to hire Fritz than just settling for Snyder's son.


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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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Well since we are going to win the AAC and the NY6 Bowl and thus know we'll be losing Fritz to Kansas or K. St. upon Snyder's retirement let's start the list.

RR- he'll have had time to get reformed.
Skip Holtz- he's shown he can win at this level and he's already in the state.
Rebowe from Nicholls.
Frank Scelfo if he does a great job at SELA this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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There is no doubt in Fritz's and the rest of his team's (and my) minds that they can and will win anywhere. If he goes to Univ of Kansas or Kansas middle school he will win.
It's happening at TU and we all know it. A place that has made almost EVERY wrong turn since the 50's. But this group is turning it around.
Couldn't agree more with what the good Dr says above:
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He is doing an amazing job dragging our lame butts across the finish line - I am in awe of how relentless he’s been with every aspect of running the program despite all obstacles.
If he gets a pot of gold at Kansas, he deserves every penny of it as well as our best wishes and congratulations for having done well by us.


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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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I agree with that sentiment as well. Also makes me realize yet again that the TB/RR turnaround would never have been possible without the foundation that Teevens and Staff left behind. Something that very few coaches at Tulane repeated. We'll never know how bad the state of the Program was after the Toledo and CJ years, but clearly we left WF a MASSIVE rebuilding effort.

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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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He's not getting a P5 offer for taking us to 6-6 or 7-5 this year (as all the pundits are predicting), probably not even to 8-4. Nobody's hiring a 60 year old coach who requires several years to install a new system based on him being just barely above .500.

What Bay and Dr said (and others agreed with) above. If he does well enough to get that offer, we should be giddy about the year it meant we just had, and also, at that point, feel pretty good that Dannen knows what he's doing as far as hiring and that we won't "pull a Tulane" and get a bad replacement who runs us right back into the dumpster.


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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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PeteRasche wrote:
He's not getting a P5 offer for taking us to 6-6 or 7-5 this year (as all the pundits are predicting), probably not even to 8-4. Nobody's hiring a 60 year old coach who requires several years to install a new system based on him being just barely above .500.

What Bay and Dr said (and others agreed with) above. If he does well enough to get that offer, we should be giddy about the year it meant we just had, and also, at that point, feel pretty good that Dannen knows what he's doing as far as hiring and that we won't "pull a Tulane" and get a bad replacement who runs us right back into the dumpster.

Pete, you are correct but your point also illustrates that WF is here for the long haul. Roll Wave!!!


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I have to laugh at the poster who put pot of gold and Kansas Football together in one thought.

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I have to laugh at the poster who put pot of gold and Kansas Football together in one thought.

Maybe just hyperbole. Or maybe not!

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 Post subject: Re: Some good comedy
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No one is mentioning the fact that Kansas is first and foremost a basketball school. Much like Kentucky, the football program is an afterthought to basketball and always will be. Also don't forget that the guy who coached them to 12-1 was unceremoniously fired two years later.

I think Fritz relishes the opportunity to be "The Man" at Tulane. He also knows, if Dannen is to be believed, that the whole athletics enchilada rests with football. He also knows that if he builds a winner here, he is in a fertile recruiting ground that he has cultivated for years, whereas Kansas is not (excluding an occasional Barry Sanders).

While I agree that Kansas St. is the program we should watch out for, as long as Tulane doesn't step on its johnson again (a BIG if) and either ratchets up the Academic requirements once we start winning (making it difficult to recruit), or not provide for competitive salaries for Fritz and his assistants, I think Willie stays. The only Wild Card is when the next Katrina hits NOLA and the family says "no mas."

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… Barry Sanders?? He matriculated at Oklahoma State or were you just talking the B12 in general ? But that doesn't make sense either.


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… Barry Sanders?? He matriculated at Oklahoma State or were you just talking the B12 in general ? But that doesn't make sense either.


Sanders is from Wichita. I was talking about fertile recruiting ground...which Kansas is typically not.

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No one is mentioning the fact that Kansas is first and foremost a basketball school. Much like Kentucky, the football program is an afterthought to basketball and always will be. Also don't forget that the guy who coached them to 12-1 was unceremoniously fired two years later.

It wasn't for lack of performance that Mangino was fired.

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Rotorooter wrote:
I think Willie stays. The only Wild Card is when the next Katrina hits NOLA and the family says "no mas."



OK I'll see that bet and raise you. Forget the Pacific Rim of Fire or the Gulf Hurricane Funnel, I think the joker here is when the next New Madrid earthquake hits and the family says "sayonara" to the Midwest.


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No one is mentioning the fact that Kansas is first and foremost a basketball school. Much like Kentucky, the football program is an afterthought to basketball and always will be. Also don't forget that the guy who coached them to 12-1 was unceremoniously fired two years later.

It wasn't for lack of performance that Mangino was fired.


Did not say it was, doesn't matter. You're under state conduct rules and you're under a very powerful microscope. At Tulane, not so much.

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Rotorooter wrote:
I think Willie stays. The only Wild Card is when the next Katrina hits NOLA and the family says "no mas."



OK I'll see that bet and raise you. Forget the Pacific Rim of Fire or the Gulf Hurricane Funnel, I think the joker here is when the next New Madrid earthquake hits and the family says "sayonara" to the Midwest.


Two words: Larry Smith. And I'll bet you NOLA floods before the New Madrid earthquake hits. Beer?

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Rotorooter wrote:
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Rotorooter wrote:
I think Willie stays. The only Wild Card is when the next Katrina hits NOLA and the family says "no mas."



OK I'll see that bet and raise you. Forget the Pacific Rim of Fire or the Gulf Hurricane Funnel, I think the joker here is when the next New Madrid earthquake hits and the family says "sayonara" to the Midwest.


Two words: Larry Smith. And I'll bet you NOLA floods before the New Madrid earthquake hits. Beer?


Two words: Larry Smith? He left here for Arizona, not someplace in the Midwest.

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