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Good news (recognizing contracts are broken al the time). Hopefully it includes a nice buyout clause.
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I'd hope the buyout, whatever it is, starts to shrink after the first couple of years.
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I like what Fritz has done but seven years seems like a big bet. It also means at his age that it’s a ride into the sunset.

Now if in 3-5 years if we are consistently winning 9-10 games with program fortunes rising my tune might be different but just seems like a $15M gamble (Est. $1.6M/year with raises for 7 years).
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TUPF wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:15 pm
I like what Fritz has done but seven years seems like a big bet. It also means at his age that it’s a ride into the sunset.

Now if in 3-5 years if we are consistently winning 9-10 games with program fortunes rising my tune might be different but just seems like a $15M gamble (Est. $1.6M/year with raises for 7 years).
Depends on the buyout amounts. If they get low at the back end it gives you a recruiting tool at no real cost.

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TUPF wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:15 pm
I like what Fritz has done but seven years seems like a big bet. It also means at his age that it’s a ride into the sunset.

Now if in 3-5 years if we are consistently winning 9-10 games with program fortunes rising my tune might be different but just seems like a $15M gamble (Est. $1.6M/year with raises for 7 years).
I'm not saying I'm 110% sold on Fritz with NO reservations, BUT.....

Given we've had literally zero coaches (other than Bowden who was never going to stay) show equal potential on the field + recruiting at the same time in, how many decades? ......

Seems like it is better to hitch our wagon to him than the open market. And if we know others are coming after him (as they have been) it is best to make him happy ahead of time.

If the buyout goes down over the years, especially, this is a good deal.
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WaveProf wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:30 pm
TUPF wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:15 pm
I like what Fritz has done but seven years seems like a big bet. It also means at his age that it’s a ride into the sunset.

Now if in 3-5 years if we are consistently winning 9-10 games with program fortunes rising my tune might be different but just seems like a $15M gamble (Est. $1.6M/year with raises for 7 years).
I'm not saying I'm 110% sold on Fritz with NO reservations, BUT.....

Given we've had literally zero coaches (other than Bowden who was never going to stay) show equal potential on the field + recruiting at the same time in, how many decades? ......

Seems like it is better to hitch our wagon to him than the open market. And if we know others are coming after him (as they have been) it is best to make him happy ahead of time.

If the buyout goes down over the years, especially, this is a good deal.
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I like everything about Fritz. He understands Tulane and uses it to his advantage. Imagine that! Roll Wave!

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Fritz has not been a good hire--he's been a great hire. We were in the football toilet ever since Katrina. We are now contenders and tied for the western division championship in his third season. We are contenders, albeit a dark horse. We need consistency, stability and, yes, sustainability in the worst way. If we can compete in the AAC, our program will continue to improve.

Our talent level at RB is 5, FIVE, deep. If there is any criticism, it is at QB talent and depth. Our lines are competitive and have depth. When changes are made, they are for the better (OC, OL coach). We have successfully worked the transfer system. All things seem to be going in a positive direction. The only concern is keeping capable assistants -- paying assistants competitive salaries. Every program has that problem. I would be willing to bet that Willie has several names if and when Hall leaves.

I'm glad Tulane has shown the foresight to give WF an extension and that he signed it. I don't see him getting lazy and I think he has a competitive fire to get things done.
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long green wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:08 am
I'd hope the buyout, whatever it is, starts to shrink after the first couple of years.
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gerryb323 wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:01 pm
long green wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:08 am
I'd hope the buyout, whatever it is, starts to shrink after the first couple of years.
You're looking at it wrong
No, you need to maintain freedom of action for when it's needed.

The only reason to do this is not to make sure Fritz is our coach in 2026 but because you're convinced the near future, which I'd define as through the 2022 season, is going to be very good.
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how much longer until this fanbase starts acting like winners jfc

I'd like to think Typical Tulane, as it is known, is shot and buried. We've given the best coach we've had in 20 years what amounts a retirement package. He has our blessing to run a damn good football program, ride off into the sunset, and never buy a drink uptown again. The other shoe might not drop on this one! Get the martini olives out ffs!
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1309th WAVE wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:43 pm
how much longer until this fanbase starts acting like winners jfc

I'd like to think Typical Tulane, as it is known, is shot and buried. We've given the best coach we've had in 20 years what amounts a retirement package. He has our blessing to run a damn good football program, ride off into the sunset, and never buy a drink uptown again. The other shoe might not drop on this one! Get the martini olives out ffs!
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When you boys are talking "buyout" here, is it the amount Tulane pays if we want Coach Fritz to stop being the coach, or is the amount Coach pays Tulane if he wants to leave?
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CT Wave wrote:
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When you boys are talking "buyout" here, is it the amount Tulane pays if we want Coach Fritz to stop being the coach, or is the amount Coach pays Tulane if he wants to leave?
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CT Wave wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:14 pm
When you boys are talking "buyout" here, is it the amount Tulane pays if we want Coach Fritz to stop being the coach, or is the amount Coach pays Tulane if he wants to leave?
Yes. I would expect them to be the same amount for whoever breaks the contract (by firing or resigning).

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When are we going to act like winners? When we no longer think 6-6 is a good regular season. Fritz is doing a good job and deserves support. But he's yet to take the next step. If 1309 thinks he has already he's the one with the problem.
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When are we going to act like winners? When we no longer think 6-6 is a good regular season. Fritz is doing a good job and deserves support. But he's yet to take the next step. If 1309 thinks he has already he's the one with the problem.
I don't think anyone is content with 6-6 but from where the program was under CJ to now it is clear that there have been massive strides made. Continued progress is definitely the expectation but 6-6 with a bowl win isn't a terrible floor.

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We should expect from WF what he expects of the team this year: WF needs to go from good to great.

He has undeniably improved every aspect of the team. But he has things that he needs to improve: End of half and game time management is one.
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What the frick is wrong with you people? I'll take 7-6 for a decade. Did all you get head injuries? We were a frick dumpster fire for 15 years. Stability leads to success. We need stability
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windywave wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:31 pm
What the frick is wrong with you people? I'll take 7-6 for a decade. Did all you get head injuries? We were a frick dumpster fire for 15 years. Stability leads to success. We need stability
nah... not for a decade, but two straight 7-6 with bowl wins definitely removes that dumpster fire smoke stench... and now it's time to get a new, really nice dumpster that's the envy of the rest of the conference
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You say not for a decade, but from 2002 until Coach Fritz in 2018, our only winning season was under CCJ in 2013 at 7-6. Sure seemed like a dumpster fire.
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long green wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:14 pm
When are we going to act like winners? When we no longer think 6-6 is a good regular season. Fritz is doing a good job and deserves support. But he's yet to take the next step. If 1309 thinks he has already he's the one with the problem.
I agree,...but as far as contacts its a different ball game. CWF hates to lose more than any other coach we have had here in my lifetime. He has won more than any coach. He has shown no symptoms of just coasting at any point in his career. He fired his long time OC after a up year when he certainly didn't have to. He appears address problems whether it be coaching, penalties, special teams, whatever. There have been bumps, but they have been smoothed over. Of coarse the disappointment is the lack of high level QB play and a real passing game in a time where you have to pass and have high level qb play to win the shootout games against teams like Memphis and UCF in our conference. I know we are getting older, but if we avgerage 7.5 wins over the next 4 seasons with 4 more bowls(including this year), then we will have had the best run of football in what 70 years?
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Honest question, because I'm not enough of a historian to know:
is there a program that was bad for a long time, then became "stable" (say, in the 6 to 8 win range) for a while, maybe like even 5 to 10 years, under the same coach, then moved up into the upper echelon and started winning 8 to 11 annually?

I'm thinking no power school would hang onto a 6-to-8-win guy that long so it would have to be a school that was not a "power" school at the start. I know VT was not good for a while and was very patient with Beamer, right? Any others that are better examples?

What I'm specifically thinking about is recruiting. Kids have such short memories these days that I wonder how many years of 6, 7, 8 wins you would need before you were recruiting kids who didn't even remember you were a dumpster fire for 15 years. We've been "trending up" for a couple of years now in all the preseason mags, but yet no one is picking us higher than like 5th to 7th... so we've "sorta" started turning the general public's perception around, but not quite. Coaches recruiting against us can still point to our recent past and say "you can't win there", but a couple more years of 7 wins, or especially more than 7, and they can't do that any more. Then all we're up against is the stupid P5 bias...

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PeteRasche wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:50 pm
Honest question, because I'm not enough of a historian to know:
is there a program that was bad for a long time, then became "stable" (say, in the 6 to 8 win range) for a while, maybe like even 5 to 10 years, under the same coach, then moved up into the upper echelon and started winning 8 to 11 annually?

I'm thinking no power school would hang onto a 6-to-8-win guy that long so it would have to be a school that was not a "power" school at the start. I know VT was not good for a while and was very patient with Beamer, right? Any others that are better examples?

What I'm specifically thinking about is recruiting. Kids have such short memories these days that I wonder how many years of 6, 7, 8 wins you would need before you were recruiting kids who didn't even remember you were a dumpster fire for 15 years. We've been "trending up" for a couple of years now in all the preseason mags, but yet no one is picking us higher than like 5th to 7th... so we've "sorta" started turning the general public's perception around, but not quite. Coaches recruiting against us can still point to our recent past and say "you can't win there", but a couple more years of 7 wins, or especially more than 7, and they can't do that any more. Then all we're up against is the stupid P5 bias...
I'll give you one definite program and several perhaps: Definite: KSU under Snyder; perhaps VPI under Beamer and perhaps Navy under its current coach and I guess I could throw TCU under Franchione and mostly Patterson in there too

Before Snyder KSU was the worst historical program in a D1 football major conference.

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