FW wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:18 am
There were rumors last year that Miami and FSU were looking at the Big 10. Florida desperately does not want them in the SEC. Florida has blocked Miami twice (in the 50s and in the late 80s). We'll see if they can still do it in this new age of college athletics, but maybe that's why they were both looking at the Big 10. I know South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in the SEC.
That mid-March baseball series between UCLA and Minnesota in Minneapolis is going to be lit
aTm couldn’t stop UT joining SEC. If Miami joining helps SEC get richer it will happen.
However B1G has a hole in their TV footprint without state of Florida. Reporter who broke story yesterday quoted his source, “B1G is not done.” SEC may recruit FSU/Miami just to keep B1G out of Florida.
I think Miami/FSU to the Big 10 makes more sense for the Big 10. I think them to the SEC makes more sense for the schools. No one wants to play Northwestern in November.
Baywave1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:22 am
Another interesting point is Fox let its properties cannibalize each other. Something ESPN would not let AAC do with Sunbelt.
Fox obviously decided super juiced B1G with or without rump PAC 12 is more valuable than current structure. Remember Fox is an owner and distributor of PAC 12 network.
Too bad ESPN didn’t feel same way and let AAC add teams like App St. That speaks volumes here.
To clarify, Fox owns and distributes the Big 10 Network and the Pac 12 does it on its own (which is why it has no distribution and makes no money). Fox is doing the same thing that ESPN did with the SEC and we are really going towards an ESPN league and a Fox league.
FW wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:18 am
There were rumors last year that Miami and FSU were looking at the Big 10. Florida desperately does not want them in the SEC. Florida has blocked Miami twice (in the 50s and in the late 80s). We'll see if they can still do it in this new age of college athletics, but maybe that's why they were both looking at the Big 10. I know South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in the SEC.
That mid-March baseball series between UCLA and Minnesota in Minneapolis is going to be lit
A&M, Missouri, and Arkansas weren't able to block Texas from joining the SEC. Maybe Florida can keep one of FSU or Miami out, but I doubt they can keep both out any longer. And if the SEC and Clemson come to terms I see 0 chance South Carolina can stop that from happening.
On edit - missed bays post saying the same thing above.
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Baywave1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:22 am
Another interesting point is Fox let its properties cannibalize each other. Something ESPN would not let AAC do with Sunbelt.
Fox obviously decided super juiced B1G with or without rump PAC 12 is more valuable than current structure. Remember Fox is an owner and distributor of PAC 12 network.
Too bad ESPN didn’t feel same way and let AAC add teams like App St. That speaks volumes here.
To clarify, Fox owns and distributes the Big 10 Network and the Pac 12 does it on its own (which is why it has no distribution and makes no money). Fox is doing the same thing that ESPN did with the SEC and we are really going towards an ESPN league and a Fox league.
Yep, this is where the long term deal with ESPN hurts us. We got to say it was a billion dollar deal, but it locked us up for a long time when the best thing would've been to let the AAC hit the open market and let Fox and ESPN compete every few years.
Carolina Greenie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:24 pm
The big 10 may see UNC as a peer institution, but they dont move without Duke (Alumni) or NC State (state politics).
State is just another Purdue, and Duke brings basketball, so maybe they are invited as a package, but boy Wake would be screaming bloody murder.
AND, as for UVa, there’s a lesser but still present political issue in leaving VPI behind.
Ten years ago, I would agree with you. If you'll recall in 2010 this is the issue that kept the Pac 12 from poaching from the B12. They wanted Texas and ou but those two wouldn't leave without ok st and Texas Tech. That killed the deal then, but apparently wasn't a big enough issue to stop Texas and ou to the sec in the present.
It will depend on whether or not UNC is willing to part ways with Duke to better themselves. Duke isn’t getting invited for basketball and they don’t bring anything to the football field so if UNC doesn’t mind losing that rivalry, they will jump at a chance to get rich.
Nothing saying UNC can't schedule Duke in non-con for football and still play them every year in basketball. In some senses only having Duke-UNC once a year would spice up that rivalry even more, rather than the ~3 times a year it happens now between regular season and conf tournament games.
"I agree JMac. While I hate that we cannot do better, this approach gives us the chance we do not have now."
The chance to do what?? More mediocrity? The pizza is cold and the beer is warm.....
Baywave1 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:22 am
Another interesting point is Fox let its properties cannibalize each other. Something ESPN would not let AAC do with Sunbelt.
Fox obviously decided super juiced B1G with or without rump PAC 12 is more valuable than current structure. Remember Fox is an owner and distributor of PAC 12 network.
Too bad ESPN didn’t feel same way and let AAC add teams like App St. That speaks volumes here.
To clarify, Fox owns and distributes the Big 10 Network and the Pac 12 does it on its own (which is why it has no distribution and makes no money). Fox is doing the same thing that ESPN did with the SEC and we are really going towards an ESPN league and a Fox league.
Thanks for fixing this on conference network detail. To avoid confusion though PAC 12 is a FOX property. Maybe FOX jams through Big 12/PAC merger to keep ESPN out?
long green wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:57 pm
Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, and Virginia are the next dominoes. I base this on nothing but suspicion.
Clemson? FSU? Miami? Syracuse?
ACC ain't moving til after 2036. USC and UCLA are leaving for 2024 season since the rights deal expires after the 2023 season
No, the ship has hit the iceberg. By the time 2036 rolls around the member schools of the SEC & Big Ten will be making three times what an ACC school makes in a year. The gap is what’s driving this round of moves. No one’s waiting 14 years.
It's a really expensive out is what I read
So is staying in a league that pays you peanuts compared to the market leaders.
And may our enemies, if they exist, be unconscious of our purpose. - From The Lady Vanishes
FW wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:18 am
There were rumors last year that Miami and FSU were looking at the Big 10. Florida desperately does not want them in the SEC. Florida has blocked Miami twice (in the 50s and in the late 80s). We'll see if they can still do it in this new age of college athletics, but maybe that's why they were both looking at the Big 10. I know South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in the SEC.
That mid-March baseball series between UCLA and Minnesota in Minneapolis is going to be lit
There’s a good chance Florida is going to have to swallow another FL team in the SEC.
And may our enemies, if they exist, be unconscious of our purpose. - From The Lady Vanishes
I wouldn’t be shocked if FSU goes to the SEC and Miami to the Big 10. Outside of South Florida, Miami’s biggest alumni areas are NYC (Rutgers), Chicago (Big 10 central), DC area (U MD) and Atlanta (obviously SEC territory).
FW wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:18 am
There were rumors last year that Miami and FSU were looking at the Big 10. Florida desperately does not want them in the SEC. Florida has blocked Miami twice (in the 50s and in the late 80s). We'll see if they can still do it in this new age of college athletics, but maybe that's why they were both looking at the Big 10. I know South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in the SEC.
That mid-March baseball series between UCLA and Minnesota in Minneapolis is going to be lit
In the 90s, the SEC schools made a “pact” to not add any in-state schools in response to FSU considering a move to the SEC. Now that Texas has gotten in with A&M already there, it kind of puts an end to that pact.
Granted, A&M was in the Southwest conference when that decision was made.
Tulane Greenbackers
"If you want to win you have to have good players." Vince Gibson
How does the SEC and the Big 10 shave off current members like Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Vandy, South Carolina, Mississippi State, and Kentucky. None of these schools add any value from a football perspective.
As far as Tulane goes, I don’t see any scenario where we fit into anything that we walk away and say we are part of a better situation. As usual, timing is everything. When you need a Kevin White, we have a Troy Dannen. From a President standpoint, we have an individual that appears to be completely neutral.
The big loser in all of this has to be the ACC. There alliance with the PAC 12 lasted several months. This is some crazy s*it that is happening.
long green wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:11 am
Big Ten making a play for Notre Dame.
Not surprised. I had a feeling that would be a big push by them.
I thought that had been vehemently opposed for decades by several of the big schools in the conference?
No conference in its right mind would turn away Notre Dame.
No but the ACC has notre dame locked down for the time being. When they were allowed to join the acc for only 2020 they signed a clause saying they couldn't join any other conference for something like 8 years. So they can join the acc or nobody unless the acc goes away completely. I guess that's not totally outside the realm of possibilty