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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:38 am 
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BYU does not fit in the AAC. Stay at 11. There's no clear school we can add which will increase league value, so do what the Big 12 did and stand pat.

Speaking of the Big 12's decision, has anyone heard if ESPN has weighed in? They just gave us this new TV contract and now one of the teams that they surely viewed as a large part of the value (especially with their East Coast bias) is leaving. Do they have an "out" clause? Does the conference payout drop? Or, does ESPN have a say in our thoughts of adding another program? Remember, they didn't like any of the Big 12's expansion scenarios so they offered them more money to not expand; I doubt we have that sway but it would be nice if that happened...


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:05 am 
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If you add BYU it should be for football only for the reasons NJ mentions. There are attractive basketball only options out there and after that you dont have to add anyone for other sports


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PeteRasche wrote:
Speaking of the Big 12's decision, has anyone heard if ESPN has weighed in? They just gave us this new TV contract and now one of the teams that they surely viewed as a large part of the value (especially with their East Coast bias) is leaving. Do they have an "out" clause? Does the conference payout drop? Or, does ESPN have a say in our thoughts of adding another program? Remember, they didn't like any of the Big 12's expansion scenarios so they offered them more money to not expand; I doubt we have that sway but it would be nice if that happened...


It's been stated on the AAC board that the loss of 1 school does not nullify the contract. is that true? Who knows? That said, I'm sure that ESPN will have plenty of input as to whether the conference stays at 11 or adds.


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BYU does not fit in the AAC. Stay at 11. There's no clear school we can add which will increase league value, so do what the Big 12 did and stand pat.

Speaking of the Big 12's decision, has anyone heard if ESPN has weighed in? They just gave us this new TV contract and now one of the teams that they surely viewed as a large part of the value (especially with their East Coast bias) is leaving. Do they have an "out" clause? Does the conference payout drop? Or, does ESPN have a say in our thoughts of adding another program? Remember, they didn't like any of the Big 12's expansion scenarios so they offered them more money to not expand; I doubt we have that sway but it would be nice if that happened...


I imagine ESPN knew this could be a possibility. Who knows maybe they even had the papers drawn up for UCONN.

I don't think staying at 11 with uneven divisions is a good idea. Scheduling becomes very tricky unless you go with no divisions. The AAC members are on paper with a hard NO for nixing divisions.

About BYU...they certainly are not a geographical fit. However, they are a fit for what the conference needs most; name brand, they already have a P5 scheduling designation, and they don't have glass ceiling because of state politics like 99% of SB, MAC, and CUSA teams. So (as football only member)BYU doesn't fit geographically, but they fit otherwise. A plane flight from NOLA to Provo is about the same as one to Cincy, Philly, Annapolis or Greenville.

If we are talking BYU in all sports then I totally agree. That is a no go.

Bring BYU in for football and VCU(or the like) for all other sports move us or Memphis to the AAC East and call it a good day.

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I feel like "sources" here might as well be this board or common sense.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.c ... nn-in-aac/

We should not be giving BYU any special favors. Either they want to join or they don't. Even on the Sunday thing.
The more I think about Army, the more it doesn't make sense and I don't like it.

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Regarding BYU, while it's more of an issue for eastern teams, Provo is only about 120 miles further from New Orleans than Storrs.


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Another thought is BYU and other independents are the only schools able to make the decision to move after the end of this week and be in in time fore Uconn's departure. That makes indy schools more likely IMO.

I think the pecking order should be as follows.

Air Force
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Colorado State
Liberty (eyebrows may raise, but that school has the budget, size, and lack of a glass ceiling to make it as long term player in the mold of UCF or USF)
New Mexico

*Army would be at the top, but the December Navy game is more important to them than a conference membership. They can't reasonably have both without some real contortions of the conference structure.

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a whole lot has changed since any non-P6 conference tried to dance with BYU. The AAC has since then clearly seperated from the other non-P6 conferences, talent wise, fan interest wise, network money wise, etc. We're pretty much a lock every year to get an invite to one of the Big Bowls as well. All of which has to make a very appealing package to BYU. The question is, is it in the AAC's best interest to invite BYU and the baggage they bring.

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a whole lot has changed since any non-P6 conference tried to dance with BYU. The AAC has since then clearly seperated from the other non-P6 conferences, talent wise, fan interest wise, network money wise, etc. We're pretty much a lock every year to get an invite to one of the Big Bowls as well. All of which has to make a very appealing package to BYU. The question is, is it in the AAC's best interest to invite BYU and the baggage they bring.


"Baggage they bring," the only real baggage they bring is not playing on Sundays. If they are Foootball only then that point is moot. If we are talking about LDS vs PC stuff that hasn't stopped teams from playing them nor ESPN from paying them and showcasing them in neutral site payday games like the one vs LSU couple of years ago. The "protest" is by a very small minority of people the right AND left centrist are growing tired of. Giving into that vocal minority has proven to be as bad or worse as ignoring them(Mizzou a couple of years ago).

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GB you are correct that the dance floor has changed since they decided to go Indy. Back when they went indy they convinced themselves that the 2001 team should have been in a BCS bowl and they couldn't stand that Utah was going to be P5 but not them. Also the AAC would give them what they need; more exposure in the eastern half of the country.

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latest on AAC v UCONN negotiations suggests this am that UCONN will pay $12 million exit fee to AAC in order to leave in 12 months rather than 27 months as league rules required.


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Poseidon, the baggage they bring, in addition to the Sundays thing, is that Network that they have as well as a certain arrogance that they bring. Might morph into what Texas has become in the Big 12. Which would be toxic for the AAC.

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randymc wrote:
latest on AAC v UCONN negotiations suggests this am that UCONN will pay $12 million exit fee to AAC in order to leave in 12 months rather than 27 months as league rules required.


there is your MD Buyout.

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Poseidon, the baggage they bring, in addition to the Sundays thing, is that Network that they have as well as a certain arrogance that they bring. Might morph into what Texas has become in the Big 12. Which would be toxic for the AAC.

There is some truth to that. I think ESPN ensures that doesn't happen. ACC is is an ESPN dominated league unlike MWC and Big 12.

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Poseidon wrote:
Another thought is BYU and other independents are the only schools able to make the decision to move after the end of this week and be in in time fore Uconn's departure. That makes indy schools more likely IMO.

I think the pecking order should be as follows.

Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
Liberty (eyebrows may raise, but that school has the budget, size, and lack of a glass ceiling to make it as long term player in the mold of UCF or USF)
New Mexico

*Army would be at the top, but the December Navy game is more important to them than a conference membership. They can't reasonably have both without some real contortions of the conference structure.


Poseidon, very good observation on Liberty. I have been there several times and they have the money to build just about anything they want. That is why I endorsed UNCC. I am biased, but they will be the largest school in North Carolina in the largest city within the decade. Last year they beat Old Dominion, USM, FAU, and loss to Tennessee 14-3. They have come a long way in a short period of time.

But I would like Army. They bring that national appeal that this league is built around. No reason at this point in time to believe that Army cannot sustain what they have going on right now.


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PeteRasche wrote:
BYU does not fit in the AAC. Stay at 11. There's no clear school we can add which will increase league value, so do what the Big 12 did and stand pat.

Speaking of the Big 12's decision, has anyone heard if ESPN has weighed in? They just gave us this new TV contract and now one of the teams that they surely viewed as a large part of the value (especially with their East Coast bias) is leaving. Do they have an "out" clause? Does the conference payout drop? Or, does ESPN have a say in our thoughts of adding another program? Remember, they didn't like any of the Big 12's expansion scenarios so they offered them more money to not expand; I doubt we have that sway but it would be nice if that happened...


Pete, haven’t we discussed BYU in 100’s of other threads over the years? Just checking big guy!


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I think the AAC should replace UCONN with Lindsey Scott

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tjtlja wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
Another thought is BYU and other independents are the only schools able to make the decision to move after the end of this week and be in in time fore Uconn's departure. That makes indy schools more likely IMO.

I think the pecking order should be as follows.

Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
Liberty (eyebrows may raise, but that school has the budget, size, and lack of a glass ceiling to make it as long term player in the mold of UCF or USF)
New Mexico

*Army would be at the top, but the December Navy game is more important to them than a conference membership. They can't reasonably have both without some real contortions of the conference structure.


Poseidon, very good observation on Liberty. I have been there several times and they have the money to build just about anything they want. That is why I endorsed UNCC. I am biased, but they will be the largest school in North Carolina in the largest city within the decade. Last year they beat Old Dominion, USM, FAU, and loss to Tennessee 14-3. They have come a long way in a short period of time.

But I would like Army. They bring that national appeal that this league is built around. No reason at this point in time to believe that Army cannot sustain what they have going on right now.


I have to quibble with the last sentence of your characterization of Army. They are massively improved, but they are winning against mostly soft competition. Yes, they took Oklahoma to the wire, but advanced metrics think they'd be about a 6-6 or 7-5 team in the AAC last year. They were just a few slots ahead of us and right behind South Florida in S&P+. They are just three years away from being 2-10, so they've by no means built some sort of dynasty incapable of being derailed. Playing in a strong league has the potential to hurt them as some believe it has for Navy.


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randymc wrote:
latest on AAC v UCONN negotiations suggests this am that UCONN will pay $12 million exit fee to AAC in order to leave in 12 months rather than 27 months as league rules required.


Details from UConn beat reporter. Good history too. I enjoyed the part about Boise State.

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-hus ... story.html


As concerns the amount itself, situation with AAC wasn't exactly a Mexican standoff but we should remember if UConn stayed the full 27 months, it would benefit from new ESPN contract as an AAC member. So $12 million for 12 months seems reasonable and UConn's potential share goes elsewhere (either to a new member or divided among remaining bodies.)


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I think the AAC should replace UCONN with Lindsey Scott


That's only a short term solution.

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I think the AAC adds a football-only member if it's BYU (as stated elsewhere, many of their issues go away if they're football only). I don't see a great all-sports candidate; I guess Colorado State or Air Force come closest, but they have their share of issues. I think Army MIGHT work football-only, but I wonder if the AAC wants two service academy football-only members. If none of the above work out, I would rather stand pat at 11 teams, despite the scheduling and divisional issues that presents.

Unlike CUSA, I have confidence in Aresco to make a good move here, even if that move ends up being to not replace UConn right now.


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Poseidon wrote:
krewe of ham and eggs wrote:
I think the AAC should replace UCONN with Lindsey Scott


That's only a short term solution.

I heard he's had trouble getting the JUCO credits to transfer....


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tulaneoutlaw wrote:
tjtlja wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
Another thought is BYU and other independents are the only schools able to make the decision to move after the end of this week and be in in time fore Uconn's departure. That makes indy schools more likely IMO.

I think the pecking order should be as follows.

Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
Liberty (eyebrows may raise, but that school has the budget, size, and lack of a glass ceiling to make it as long term player in the mold of UCF or USF)
New Mexico

*Army would be at the top, but the December Navy game is more important to them than a conference membership. They can't reasonably have both without some real contortions of the conference structure.


Poseidon, very good observation on Liberty. I have been there several times and they have the money to build just about anything they want. That is why I endorsed UNCC. I am biased, but they will be the largest school in North Carolina in the largest city within the decade. Last year they beat Old Dominion, USM, FAU, and loss to Tennessee 14-3. They have come a long way in a short period of time.

But I would like Army. They bring that national appeal that this league is built around. No reason at this point in time to believe that Army cannot sustain what they have going on right now.


I have to quibble with the last sentence of your characterization of Army. They are massively improved, but they are winning against mostly soft competition. Yes, they took Oklahoma to the wire, but advanced metrics think they'd be about a 6-6 or 7-5 team in the AAC last year. They were just a few slots ahead of us and right behind South Florida in S&P+. They are just three years away from being 2-10, so they've by no means built some sort of dynasty incapable of being derailed. Playing in a strong league has the potential to hurt them as some believe it has for Navy.


This. I think Monken would bolt if Army joined this league. He's seen what loyalty is doing to Ken Niumatalolo.

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GretnaGrn wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
krewe of ham and eggs wrote:
I think the AAC should replace UCONN with Lindsey Scott


That's only a short term solution.

I heard he's had trouble getting the JUCO credits to transfer....


I heard his parents want him to wait for an sec offer.


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