NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
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NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
Long story short: high school star signs to play softball in college. On her visit, players are drinking the night before a game. She doesn't feel it's right but signs anyway. After that, players send her photos and videos of them partying, drinking, smoking... thinking she'll be excited for the upcoming four years of fun. Instead, she rats them out to their coach. Coach confronts players, players realize it was her, send her messages basically saying they know it was her, so she feels unwelcome and transfers. NCAA, despite her appeals, says she has to sit out a year for transferring too late.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/softb ... ar-BBPIYKD
I don't know how I feel about this. These two are fighting on my shoulders...
I kinda think I know how opinions are gonna fall between the regulars here. We'll see if I guessed right...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/softb ... ar-BBPIYKD
I don't know how I feel about this. These two are fighting on my shoulders...
I kinda think I know how opinions are gonna fall between the regulars here. We'll see if I guessed right...
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Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
OK, I'll bite. First mistake--signing with the school when you had a strong hunch it was not the right place for you. Second mistake--players sending her texts with their pictures in them doing things that they might get into trouble with not only the coaches but their parents. Third mistake, and in my opinion the worst one--ratting on the kids to their coach. Just keep your mouth shut, find another place to go and file it under "not the right fit."
In some perverse way, she got the punishment she deserved.
In some perverse way, she got the punishment she deserved.
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Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
I wouldn't say she deserved punishment, but it is a lesson that actions have unintended consequences even when it appears you have the high ground. That said, I am sure it more complicated than what is printed. I think the NCAA should let her off if she can prove the work/team environment is hostile. She has also learned a lesson that whistle-blowing/ratting out those out that have seniority, while it may seem romantic to 'change the system and save the world' to youth, has consequences and often serves only to introduce chaos without improvement.Rotorooter wrote:OK, I'll bite. First mistake--signing with the school when you had a strong hunch it was not the right place for you. Second mistake--players sending her texts with their pictures in them doing things that they might get into trouble with not only the coaches but their parents. Third mistake, and in my opinion the worst one--ratting on the kids to their coach. Just keep your mouth shut, find another place to go and file it under "not the right fit."
In some perverse way, she got the punishment she deserved.
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Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
So a kid does the right thing and gets punished whilst you have basketball coaches texting with felons convicted for bribing players to play at said university without punishment ao far. Sounds about right.
Although the coach is a dope for saying it was a recruit that narced
Although the coach is a dope for saying it was a recruit that narced
Using big words is not a personal attack
#cousins don't count
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Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
How is it more complicated do you think?Poseidon wrote:I wouldn't say she deserved punishment, but it is a lesson that actions have unintended consequences even when it appears you have the high ground. That said, I am sure it more complicated than what is printed. I think the NCAA should let her off if she can prove the work/team environment is hostile. She has also learned a lesson that whistle-blowing/ratting out those out that have seniority, while it may seem romantic to 'change the system and save the world' to youth, has consequences and often serves only to introduce chaos without improvement.Rotorooter wrote:OK, I'll bite. First mistake--signing with the school when you had a strong hunch it was not the right place for you. Second mistake--players sending her texts with their pictures in them doing things that they might get into trouble with not only the coaches but their parents. Third mistake, and in my opinion the worst one--ratting on the kids to their coach. Just keep your mouth shut, find another place to go and file it under "not the right fit."
In some perverse way, she got the punishment she deserved.
Using big words is not a personal attack
#cousins don't count
#cousins don't count
Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
There are probably more important details than published. I am working from the assumption that the what is usually published is just a snapshot of what actually occurred.windywave wrote:How is it more complicated do you think?Poseidon wrote:I wouldn't say she deserved punishment, but it is a lesson that actions have unintended consequences even when it appears you have the high ground. That said, I am sure it more complicated than what is printed. I think the NCAA should let her off if she can prove the work/team environment is hostile. She has also learned a lesson that whistle-blowing/ratting out those out that have seniority, while it may seem romantic to 'change the system and save the world' to youth, has consequences and often serves only to introduce chaos without improvement.Rotorooter wrote:OK, I'll bite. First mistake--signing with the school when you had a strong hunch it was not the right place for you. Second mistake--players sending her texts with their pictures in them doing things that they might get into trouble with not only the coaches but their parents. Third mistake, and in my opinion the worst one--ratting on the kids to their coach. Just keep your mouth shut, find another place to go and file it under "not the right fit."
In some perverse way, she got the punishment she deserved.
Quote:The Good - TULANE
The Bad - LSU
THe Ugly - USM
Honorable mention - Navy
The Bad - LSU
THe Ugly - USM
Honorable mention - Navy
Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
Perhaps, but it would have to be hugely negative against her gor me to change my position vis a vis NCAAPoseidon wrote:There are probably more important details than published. I am working from the assumption that the what is usually published is just a snapshot of what actually occurred.windywave wrote:How is it more complicated do you think?Poseidon wrote:I wouldn't say she deserved punishment, but it is a lesson that actions have unintended consequences even when it appears you have the high ground. That said, I am sure it more complicated than what is printed. I think the NCAA should let her off if she can prove the work/team environment is hostile. She has also learned a lesson that whistle-blowing/ratting out those out that have seniority, while it may seem romantic to 'change the system and save the world' to youth, has consequences and often serves only to introduce chaos without improvement.Rotorooter wrote:OK, I'll bite. First mistake--signing with the school when you had a strong hunch it was not the right place for you. Second mistake--players sending her texts with their pictures in them doing things that they might get into trouble with not only the coaches but their parents. Third mistake, and in my opinion the worst one--ratting on the kids to their coach. Just keep your mouth shut, find another place to go and file it under "not the right fit."
In some perverse way, she got the punishment she deserved.
Using big words is not a personal attack
#cousins don't count
#cousins don't count
Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
Kids make mistakes, and the consequences to her of having to sit a year to transfer are the same regardless of whether she tells the coach why she wants to transfer or not. Frankly, good for her telling the coach. If she was uncomfortable in the situation, she's probably not the only one...who was it on here saying that the Maryland FB player should have spoken up during the conditioning drills?Rotorooter wrote:OK, I'll bite. First mistake--signing with the school when you had a strong hunch it was not the right place for you. Second mistake--players sending her texts with their pictures in them doing things that they might get into trouble with not only the coaches but their parents. Third mistake, and in my opinion the worst one--ratting on the kids to their coach. Just keep your mouth shut, find another place to go and file it under "not the right fit."
In some perverse way, she got the punishment she deserved.
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Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
When I was deciding on colleges, my choice came down to Tulane and Sewanee where I could have played on the baseball team. One of the big turnoffs for me was not that the team was bad (they had like 3 wins the season before I visited), but that every single player I talked was in a frat. I've made my adult opinions on frats known here, but even at 17 I was really confused as to how they had time to party with baseball practice/workouts and school. Sewanee is D3 so there were no scholarships involved, but I was still disappointed to find they weren't more focused on playing their chosen sport. That definitely tilted things in Tulane's favor for me and my Tulane visit sealed the deal.
I sympathize with the young lady, but this is a good lesson for later. Sometimes it's better to go with your gut.
I sympathize with the young lady, but this is a good lesson for later. Sometimes it's better to go with your gut.
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‘Tis. I really struggled with choosing between the Naval Academy and Tulane. Both were full rides. Both would get me my officer’s commission. One had loads of tradition and the “ooh” factor from people who had not been to college. But like you I listened to my gut for where I would thrive best. By nature I color both inside and outside the lines. Serious student Mon.-Friday, serious fun weekends. The Naval Academy does not suffer nonconformists well. Tulane...well, we know. So, I had my cake and ate it too at Tulane.tulaneoutlaw wrote:When I was deciding on colleges, my choice came down to Tulane and Sewanee where I could have played on the baseball team. One of the big turnoffs for me was not that the team was bad (they had like 3 wins the season before I visited), but that every single player I talked was in a frat. I've made my adult opinions on frats known here, but even at 17 I was really confused as to how they had time to party with baseball practice/workouts and school. Sewanee is D3 so there were no scholarships involved, but I was still disappointed to find they weren't more focused on playing their chosen sport. That definitely tilted things in Tulane's favor for me and my Tulane visit sealed the deal.
I sympathize with the young lady, but this is a good lesson for later. Sometimes it's better to go with your gut.
Years later when I served in submarine wardrooms with a 50/50 mix of Academy officers and NROTC officers I found Academy officers who either loved their experience or loathed it. It only reinforced what my gut told me at age 17. I would have been miserable at Annapolis and who knows if I wouldn’t have punched some upperclassman rather than put up with the crap, which, BTW has nothing to do with being a good officer. I saw more than a handful of bad USNA officers, which makes you wonder why the taxpayer foots that enormous bill. Most of the officer watchstanders and commanding officers on watch when those 3 surface ships had collisions that killed sailors in the Pacific not too long ago were Academy grads, so they definitely were not a winning investment in seamanship.
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Re: NCAA transfer rules for not wanting to party?
minor thread jack, but the reason why no punishment so far is because it was Self and Sean Miller.. Pitino was loathed by everyone, so he was an easy jettison, but Self and Miller are two "higher than thou" names in college hoops.. so they are getting EVERY benefit of the doubt despite the fact they are both guilty as shizzle and should both be banned for 5 years... also, how the fudge is Zion Williamson eligible? The Cam Newton rule? "Oh, they paid my dad, not me".. and in this case "I chose a different school anyway so I'm good". If he had chosen Kentucky over Duke, Calipari would be still getting his anal probe from the NCAA and Williamson would be playing for the Lisbon Leprechauns of the Western Europe Poor Excuse for Pro Basketball League.windywave wrote:So a kid does the right thing and gets punished whilst you have basketball coaches texting with felons convicted for bribing players to play at said university without punishment ao far. Sounds about right.
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NCAA is so mad at Arizona and Kansas that they put BYU on probation
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Can I get you a towel to chew on?gerryb323 wrote:NCAA is so mad at Arizona and Kansas that they put BYU on probation
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PeteRasche wrote:Can I get you a towel to chew on?gerryb323 wrote:NCAA is so mad at Arizona and Kansas that they put BYU on probation
Wandering around somewhere in a matchup zone
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I'm sure he knows not to go anywhere without his towel!PeteRasche wrote:Can I get you a towel to chew on?gerryb323 wrote:NCAA is so mad at Arizona and Kansas that they put BYU on probation
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This. VMI's first year system is a lot more antiquated (and tougher IMO) than Navy's, and yet I excelled at taking it (sometimes goading it on). Almost enjoyed watching idiot 19 year olds try to conform 18 year olds. But does that mean I would have been a successful officer had I taken my commission? Heck no. I would have been awful.TUPF wrote:who knows if I wouldn’t have punched some upperclassman rather than put up with the crap, which, BTW has nothing to do with being a good officer.
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Luckily, I was not selected to go to West Point like my mom wanted me to do,(the grads of 64 had a touch time in VN) so I went to Tulane on a legislative scholarship(!). Did the AF ROTC for two years (it was mandatory at the time), but after graduation, I got my Navy commission in 16 weeks at the Aviation Officer Candidate School instead of the four years you and the Academy people did. I got paid the same and was an officer and a gentleman by an act of Congress. My experience in the aviation side of the Navy was that the Academy grads were, by and large, a more squared away group than the rest of us. But, with few exceptions, they didn't lord it over us, especially since they knew I was getting out in four years and they were stuck for a couple of more. When I got out, I felt the same way, I do now...the Navy was good to me and it doesn't owe me anything. A great experience.TUPF wrote:‘Tis. I really struggled with choosing between the Naval Academy and Tulane. Both were full rides. Both would get me my officer’s commission. One had loads of tradition and the “ooh” factor from people who had not been to college. But like you I listened to my gut for where I would thrive best. By nature I color both inside and outside the lines. Serious student Mon.-Friday, serious fun weekends. The Naval Academy does not suffer nonconformists well. Tulane...well, we know. So, I had my cake and ate it too at Tulane.tulaneoutlaw wrote:When I was deciding on colleges, my choice came down to Tulane and Sewanee where I could have played on the baseball team. One of the big turnoffs for me was not that the team was bad (they had like 3 wins the season before I visited), but that every single player I talked was in a frat. I've made my adult opinions on frats known here, but even at 17 I was really confused as to how they had time to party with baseball practice/workouts and school. Sewanee is D3 so there were no scholarships involved, but I was still disappointed to find they weren't more focused on playing their chosen sport. That definitely tilted things in Tulane's favor for me and my Tulane visit sealed the deal.
I sympathize with the young lady, but this is a good lesson for later. Sometimes it's better to go with your gut.
Years later when I served in submarine wardrooms with a 50/50 mix of Academy officers and NROTC officers I found Academy officers who either loved their experience or loathed it. It only reinforced what my gut told me at age 17. I would have been miserable at Annapolis and who knows if I wouldn’t have punched some upperclassman rather than put up with the crap, which, BTW has nothing to do with being a good officer. I saw more than a handful of bad USNA officers, which makes you wonder why the taxpayer foots that enormous bill. Most of the officer watchstanders and commanding officers on watch when those 3 surface ships had collisions that killed sailors in the Pacific not too long ago were Academy grads, so they definitely were not a winning investment in seamanship.
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