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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:53 am 
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Tom Jurich is out, Pitino is expected to follow today. Both have already had incredibly short meetings with the university president.

on edit: espn.com is saying it's already done on both counts.

F*** you, Louisville.


News conference confirming all this in about an hour.

Just curious is, "F*** you, Louisville" in Esperanto?

I guess the anthem protesters have had their fifteen minutes of fame and have been bumped off page 1 (off course until tomorrow night's TNF when it all starts again.) Where's my twitter password???


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I guess no one read my post? :-D

it was not really a surprise to the gaggle of sports reporters camped out at Loserville today. More heads, many more heads will roll before this is over. Oh, and the buyout mud fight about to ensue should be popcorn worthy.

edit- Oh, and the Loserville Prez is an interim Prez. Not even the permanent guy.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:56 am 
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UL doesn't do this if they have to pay Rick Pitino >$40 million. Let ESPN pay him. They love shady New Yawk hoops coaches on their broadcasts. Bruce Pearl can join him and I'm sure he will.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:00 am 
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I guess no one read my post? :-D

it was not really a surprise to the gaggle of sports reporters camped out at Loserville today. More heads, many more heads will roll before this is over. Oh, and the buyout mud fight about to ensue should be popcorn worthy.
edit- Oh, and the Loserville Prez is an interim Prez. Not even the permanent guy.


The potential reward of tens of millions for Pitino, Jurich, et. al. buys a lot of contingency fee lawyer billable hours and of course dump truck loads of dirt.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:19 am 
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According to the complaint, Gatto, Code, Dawkins and Sood worked together to funnel $100,000 to the player's family in early June, and Dawkins told the others that he did so at the request of a Louisville coach. "Player-10," who is described in the complaint as a top recruit, is believed to be Brian Bowen, a five-star guard/forward who signed with Louisville on June 5. The FBI said telephone records show Gatto spoke directly with the unnamed coach multiple times in the days before the player publicly committed to play for the Cardinals.

The complaint said another high school player was paid to sign with the Cardinals, and Dawkins paid the money by funneling it through Augustine.


Just three years earlier, Pitino had railed against the influence of athletic shoe companies in the recruiting process, ending a 2014 news conference by bemoaning a system he believes is often driven by the like of Nike and Adidas.

"What I personally don't like (is) I can't recruit a kid because he wears Nike on the AAU circuit," Pitino said then. "I had never heard of such a thing and it's happening in our world. Or, he's on the Adidas circuit, so the Nike schools don't want him." Pitino then added it's a very tough situation to address "because our pockets are lined with their money."


guy has brass balls I'll give him that.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:30 am 
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Rick Pitino never said that. If he had, he'd have added how much 9/11 affected him. It did, of course, but oh goodness did Rick Pitino ride that horse to the glue factory.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:51 am 
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Anyone else besides me watching this unfolding, and thinking about Dunleavy's somewhat brash interview last summer (2016, not this past) where he basically said all the other top coaches are cheating to get the top recruits, but we don't have to because he's got such great connections around the world? And also thinking about how we are, in fact, mainly focusing on foreign players (who presumably aren't as tied-down to shoe company/AAU dealings)?

If Dunleavy's smart (cheap though this move might be), he talks to every sports-talk-radio show he can in the next few days and basically says "see, I told you so... and there's more of them if you keep digging." Not only would that boldly state "go ahead and investigate us, we're clean", but it sends a subconscious message to those top players we're after (who are also being recruited by the big schools) that maybe, just maybe, Tulane is a safe choice to pick because those other schools might end up on probation while they're there.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:57 am 
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While waiting for the world to end for Big Yummy Red in five minutes, I'll start the really WAG speculation. If employees have turpitude clauses, do conferences as well? I assume so since we've all seen Temple, UMass, Idaho and NM State all ejected from for economic and lack of performance or whatever suited them at the time.

WWAACD or whatever their wristband says?

On edit: How could I forget the Metro giving Tulane the boot after point shaving?


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PeteRasche wrote:
Anyone else besides me watching this unfolding, and thinking about Dunleavy's somewhat brash interview last summer (2016, not this past) where he basically said all the other top coaches are cheating to get the top recruits, but we don't have to because he's got such great connections around the world? And also thinking about how we are, in fact, mainly focusing on foreign players (who presumably aren't as tied-down to shoe company/AAU dealings)?

If Dunleavy's smart (cheap though this move might be), he talks to every sports-talk-radio show he can in the next few days and basically says "see, I told you so... and there's more of them if you keep digging." Not only would that boldly state "go ahead and investigate us, we're clean", but it sends a subconscious message to those top players we're after (who are also being recruited by the big schools) that maybe, just maybe, Tulane is a safe choice to pick because those other schools might end up on probation while they're there.

I like it, Pete. If he were to do something like this, would he be blackballed by the coaching equivalent of the Blue Line, or is he in such a place in his career where he could give a cr@p if they do?

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I know before most folks' time here but point shaving scandal in early 1950's (and again driven by criminal convictions) brought down a number of people and schools including NCAA champs CCNY and Kentucky. So yes this could be the beginning....

Interestingly NIKE stock is currently down over 3.5% in midday trading but Adidas is only down slightly in Germany today and U.S. ADR appears flat as well. Latter might have to do with it being a foreign company and most daily trading in it is now practically over. But eventually it will be affected too. Let's watch tomorrow.

On edit: Adidas stock fell 2.5%+ yesterday when the news broke. No one ever said I was first to the party.....


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TUPF wrote:
PeteRasche wrote:
Anyone else besides me watching this unfolding, and thinking about Dunleavy's somewhat brash interview last summer (2016, not this past) where he basically said all the other top coaches are cheating to get the top recruits, but we don't have to because he's got such great connections around the world? And also thinking about how we are, in fact, mainly focusing on foreign players (who presumably aren't as tied-down to shoe company/AAU dealings)?

If Dunleavy's smart (cheap though this move might be), he talks to every sports-talk-radio show he can in the next few days and basically says "see, I told you so... and there's more of them if you keep digging." Not only would that boldly state "go ahead and investigate us, we're clean", but it sends a subconscious message to those top players we're after (who are also being recruited by the big schools) that maybe, just maybe, Tulane is a safe choice to pick because those other schools might end up on probation while they're there.

I like it, Pete. If he were to do something like this, would he be blackballed by the coaching equivalent of the Blue Line, or is he in such a place in his career where he could give a cr@p if they do?

I said when the interview was posted last year that I loved it because it was clear he didn't give a rat's behind about the "blue line", because he had his own money and his own connections and didn't care what other coaches thought of him. Kinda like those crotchety old grandpas that lose their filter and just tell you what they think no matter what the repercussions. :lol:


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Pitino and Jurich are not fired but are on "administrative leave;" paid in Jurich's case, unpaid in Pitino's. Pitino's termination is said to require 10 days' notice so this is almost certainly the start of those ten days. Jurich will last until a board meeting in the middle of next month.

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While waiting for the world to end for Big Yummy Red in five minutes, I'll start the really WAG speculation. If employees have turpitude clauses, do conferences as well? I assume so since we've all seen Temple, UMass, Idaho and NM State all ejected from for economic and lack of performance or whatever suited them at the time.
The UC fans in my office were already talking YESTERDAY about how UC will take Louisville's place in the ACC when the NCAA gives UL the department-wide, all-sports death penalty. And they were only somewhat joking.


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I guess no one read my post? :-D

it was not really a surprise to the gaggle of sports reporters camped out at Loserville today. More heads, many more heads will roll before this is over. Oh, and the buyout mud fight about to ensue should be popcorn worthy.

edit- Oh, and the Loserville Prez is an interim Prez. Not even the permanent guy.

Saw a fair amount of speculation yesterday that Petrino would also get caught up in this house cleaning...


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I think UL's impending killer probation (I feel the NCAA will be too squeamish to give the DP) will make them more precious to its conference brethren. Cool! Easy league win for years, the sort of win(s) that will extend the careers of laggard ACC head coaches, making them more $ for more years.

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ml wave wrote:
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I guess no one read my post? :-D

it was not really a surprise to the gaggle of sports reporters camped out at Loserville today. More heads, many more heads will roll before this is over. Oh, and the buyout mud fight about to ensue should be popcorn worthy.

edit- Oh, and the Loserville Prez is an interim Prez. Not even the permanent guy.

Saw a fair amount of speculation yesterday that Petrino would also get caught up in this house cleaning...


His buyout is said to be lessened if Jurich is fired, as he is being. I rather think that UL would just as soon keep him around until things stabilize.

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I still remember Dickerson saying how he wouldn't get his hands dirty recruiting the AAU scene because of how dirty it is/was. And, I'm going by memory now so I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that Sports Talk was saying that Loserville was on probation when this occurred. Which would bring in the Death Penalty since its supposed to kick in when proven you're a habitual, ureconstructed, cheater.

Sports Talk solution? Get rid of the one and done, let these kids go straight to the Pro's from High School.

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This is also about shoe company wars, Adidas vs. Nike vs. Under Armour, for market share and marketing clout. Adidas was aggressively trying to poach Nike schools and get them under the Adidas banner. That's likely a reason at least some of the asst. coaches at Nike schools in this current mess are implicated/complicit. Adidas wanted more deals with Nike schools that had equipment/marketing contracts coming up for renewal or that were expiring and might come up for bid.


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Nike's elite summer hoops league for top talent has just been hit with subpoenas for records and testimony from employees, according to reports via Twitter. Below is a snippet describing the league for those who are unaware Nike is sort of its own AAU league.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recr ... id=5067394


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TUPF wrote:
PeteRasche wrote:
Anyone else besides me watching this unfolding, and thinking about Dunleavy's somewhat brash interview last summer (2016, not this past) where he basically said all the other top coaches are cheating to get the top recruits, but we don't have to because he's got such great connections around the world? And also thinking about how we are, in fact, mainly focusing on foreign players (who presumably aren't as tied-down to shoe company/AAU dealings)?

If Dunleavy's smart (cheap though this move might be), he talks to every sports-talk-radio show he can in the next few days and basically says "see, I told you so... and there's more of them if you keep digging." Not only would that boldly state "go ahead and investigate us, we're clean", but it sends a subconscious message to those top players we're after (who are also being recruited by the big schools) that maybe, just maybe, Tulane is a safe choice to pick because those other schools might end up on probation while they're there.

I like it, Pete. If he were to do something like this, would he be blackballed by the coaching equivalent of the Blue Line, or is he in such a place in his career where he could give a cr@p if they do?



He's rich and a veteran already and his personality seems to have a je ne sais qui of frick you. I don't think he would care and more important may take them on just because he can.


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PeteRasche wrote:
Baywave1 wrote:
While waiting for the world to end for Big Yummy Red in five minutes, I'll start the really WAG speculation. If employees have turpitude clauses, do conferences as well? I assume so since we've all seen Temple, UMass, Idaho and NM State all ejected from for economic and lack of performance or whatever suited them at the time.
The UC fans in my office were already talking YESTERDAY about how UC will take Louisville's place in the ACC when the NCAA gives UL the department-wide, all-sports death penalty. And they were only somewhat joking.


They're still imbeciles


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Big winner in all this .... Big Baller brand


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Big winner in all this .... Big Baller brand


you honestly think HE'S clean? Remember, he got "bribed" to play in some of those shoe brand sponsored tournaments.. even got the shoe company to change refs for him when he thought he was being "slighted"

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I think UL's impending killer probation (I feel the NCAA will be too squeamish to give the DP)



I still maintain since the probation from the stripper scandal is so fresh that they get a 2 year program "death penalty"... they allow players to transfer (if they desire) with no sitting out a year... they will allow a new coaching staff to begin recruiting players, including transfers, after the first year of the penalty so guys can be "redshirt freshmen" or immediately eligible when the program resumes.

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