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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:51 pm 
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In a QB battle through August, other guy named starter yesterday, today he announces he's transferring out instead of being second string.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... atform=amp

It will be interesting to see where he lands as many schools desperately need a QB, but that kind of move doesn't show much in the way of competitive drive (one setback and he quits).


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:57 pm 
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Totally agree !!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:04 pm 
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I tend to agree. Something needs to be said about all these coaches bringing new toys and showing no faith to those they recruited.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:09 am 
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PeteRasche wrote:
In a QB battle through August, other guy named starter yesterday, today he announces he's transferring out instead of being second string.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... atform=amp

It will be interesting to see where he lands as many schools desperately need a QB, but that kind of move doesn't show much in the way of competitive drive (one setback and he quits).


Umm...isn’t this how we acquired our starter?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:35 am 
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MattK wrote:
PeteRasche wrote:
In a QB battle through August, other guy named starter yesterday, today he announces he's transferring out instead of being second string.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... atform=amp

It will be interesting to see where he lands as many schools desperately need a QB, but that kind of move doesn't show much in the way of competitive drive (one setback and he quits).


Umm...isn’t this how we acquired our starter?

Yes, and backup? Also, former 4 star recruit from Landry-Walker Keytaon Thompson has entered the portal. Lost out on Mississippi State starting job.

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And don’t forget almost all of our basketball team.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:01 am 
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Gives new meaning to “take my ball and go home”.

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And don’t forget almost all of our basketball team.


huh? How are grad transfers showing a "millennial stereotype" mindset?

Hightower could be lumped into that category, but you honestly can't compare football QB to basketball. Generally 10-12 guys play in hoops and starters are interchangeable with bench guys throughout the game. Hightower's minutes diminished and he didn't fit in his coach's scheme, in his opinion. Not really a "millennial stereotype" if you can read the writing on the wall and things weren't going to improve for you.

This UW kid lost his job to a better player and quit rather than be the backup and wait for an opportunity.. like if Eason struggles or gets hurt.

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Sort of like Tanner Lee at Tulane :lol:


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Sort of like Tanner Lee at Tulane :lol:

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Johnny Mac wrote:
angrywavedad wrote:
And don’t forget almost all of our basketball team.


huh? How are grad transfers showing a "millennial stereotype" mindset?

Hightower could be lumped into that category, but you honestly can't compare football QB to basketball. Generally 10-12 guys play in hoops and starters are interchangeable with bench guys throughout the game. Hightower's minutes diminished and he didn't fit in his coach's scheme, in his opinion. Not really a "millennial stereotype" if you can read the writing on the wall and things weren't going to improve for you.

This UW kid lost his job to a better player and quit rather than be the backup and wait for an opportunity.. like if Eason struggles or gets hurt.


I have too little faith in the "competitions" that go on during camps.

I have seen first hand player A be put in a position to succeed and player B put in a position to look just ok then it happens and the company line be player A won the competition. I would go as far to say players don't usually win competitions, other players just lose them or they play out just as the coach has planned.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:58 pm 
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PeteRasche wrote:
In a QB battle through August, other guy named starter yesterday, today he announces he's transferring out instead of being second string.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... atform=amp

It will be interesting to see where he lands as many schools desperately need a QB, but that kind of move doesn't show much in the way of competitive drive (one setback and he quits).

Serious question, outside of this specific instance: do you think someone can show competitive drive by transferring and trying to play at another school? Or is the only way to show competitive drive by trying to unseat the person who you lost the job to originally?


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ml wave wrote:
Serious question, outside of this specific instance: do you think someone can show competitive drive by transferring and trying to play at another school? Or is the only way to show competitive drive by trying to unseat the person who you lost the job to originally?


generally, the transfer is to a school where the kid feels they are going to walk in and be the starter... that's why Jacob Eason went to UW from UGA in the first place.. why Mark Fields went from UGA to Ohio State.. why Kelly Bryant bailed out on Clemson and went to Missouri... why Jalen Hurts went to Oklahoma. All of those QBs looked that the QB situations at those programs and saw an easy path to the starting job. You could argue Tate Martell going to Miami.. but we saw how that ended!

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Johnny Mac wrote:
ml wave wrote:
Serious question, outside of this specific instance: do you think someone can show competitive drive by transferring and trying to play at another school? Or is the only way to show competitive drive by trying to unseat the person who you lost the job to originally?


generally, the transfer is to a school where the kid feels they are going to walk in and be the starter... that's why Jacob Eason went to UW from UGA in the first place.. why Mark Fields went from UGA to Ohio State.. why Kelly Bryant bailed out on Clemson and went to Missouri... why Jalen Hurts went to Oklahoma. All of those QBs looked that the QB situations at those programs and saw an easy path to the starting job. You could argue Tate Martell going to Miami.. but we saw how that ended!
I'm sure when they're being recruited that is one of the things being sold to them. And it makes sense...if you've only got one year left of eligibility, you'd probably want to play. Which is kind of my point...aren't you showing competitive drive by wanting to actually play in games?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:45 am 
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I have too little faith in the "competitions" that go on during camps.



which was exactly the case with LSU last year. Burrow wasn't brought in during the summer to compete for the starting job. He was brought in as the starter.


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MattK wrote:
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I have too little faith in the "competitions" that go on during camps.



which was exactly the case with LSU last year. Burrow wasn't brought in during the summer to compete for the starting job. He was brought in as the starter.



Many would think the player evaluation process in college is more objective than high school. The truth is the vast majority of the time the talent difference between two players in high school is rather obvious. In college you are dealing with lots of talented players. Coaches act on hunches or impressions more than they do in high school. The subjective views are held in check by what they see happen on the field. The problem then is there are certain positions were game-level evaluation is very different than what goes on in practice. The fact that coaches are limiting the number scrimmages just makes it even tougher. This is one reason the preseason is so important to the Pros. You just can't replicate what happens in a game in practice very well in this sport. Coaches know all this, that is one reason why they are able to take transfers so readily. They see QB "Y" and say to themselves "I know the other coach and he really likes player Z a whole lot, I am willing to give player Y the chance with me he didn't get there." People like to think they see something in someone that others missed. Coaches egos can play into this as well. The summary is, as you said, LSU was acting on a hunch about Burrow and with limited or no actual game type evaluation on Brennan, McMillan or Narcisse. Burrow's '18 fall camp was closer to a staged coronation than an open competition.

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