Ole Miss gets the "SMU screw job"
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Ole Miss gets the "SMU screw job"
Ole Miss had a potential game tying TD pass called down at the 6 inch line.. no time outs, clock running. They couldn't wait for a review and tried a sneak and failed.. game over.
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Referee right on the spot and didn't hesitate to make the call on that penultimate play.
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I didn’t see an angle on the goal line; but it’s hard to envision that he wasn’t in.
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Ole Miss got hosed, just like we did against SMU.
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Yeah they got hosed. Not sure why they reveiw any plays ever if that wasn't worthy.
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the worst part is, the replay official in the booth should have immediately had the thought "hmm, that one looked in to me.. let me buzz down" without seeing a replay.. from what I understand, it was a PAC12 crew doing the gamePoseidon wrote:Yeah they got hosed. Not sure why they reveiw any plays ever if that wasn't worthy.
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If I may play devil’s advocate, had the play been reviewed and upheld, would it have been right for Ole Miss to have a chance to run a play?
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Did they have cameras on the goal line? If not, It may not get overturned anyway. And if the dude buzzed down and they don’t overturn the call, then Ole Miss doesn’t get to even try the next play because of the 10 second run off.Johnny Mac wrote:the worst part is, the replay official in the booth should have immediately had the thought "hmm, that one looked in to me.. let me buzz down" without seeing a replay.. from what I understand, it was a PAC12 crew doing the gamePoseidon wrote:Yeah they got hosed. Not sure why they reveiw any plays ever if that wasn't worthy.
The guy on the goal line just needed to get the call right.
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Agreed!MattK wrote:Did they have cameras on the goal line? If not, It may not get overturned anyway. And if the dude buzzed down and they don’t overturn the call, then Ole Miss doesn’t get to even try the next play because of the 10 second run off.Johnny Mac wrote:the worst part is, the replay official in the booth should have immediately had the thought "hmm, that one looked in to me.. let me buzz down" without seeing a replay.. from what I understand, it was a PAC12 crew doing the gamePoseidon wrote:Yeah they got hosed. Not sure why they reveiw any plays ever if that wasn't worthy.
The guy on the goal line just needed to get the call right.
Like I said at the time we got screwed over, the right thing for the ref to do when it is very close like that is to call it a TD. That would stop the clock and allow review. If the TD is overruled, then the clock could wind. In the Ole Miss case, it was impossible to get players to the line and run the play before time expired, so the refs could have simply ruled that "it was not a TD and time has expired." That way, nobody gets hurt.
Any time there is a play close enough that the ref's call could go either way, he should ALWAYS err on the side that does not prevent a review.
TUPF might have thoughts on this.
I'm not sure how or if the rule book addresses such situations, but personally, I'm not an absolutist when it comes to following the letter of the law. IMO, it's more important to get it right than it is to be a stickler for the rule book.
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There would have been a 10 second runoff I thinkBC Wave wrote:If I may play devil’s advocate, had the play been reviewed and upheld, would it have been right for Ole Miss to have a chance to run a play?
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I think so, too, but even if there were not, the referees have the power to rule that, had the correct call been made initially, the clock would have run out; they could declare the game over.gerryb323 wrote:There would have been a 10 second runoff I thinkBC Wave wrote:If I may play devil’s advocate, had the play been reviewed and upheld, would it have been right for Ole Miss to have a chance to run a play?
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Except they did have time to get a play off!Roller wrote:I think so, too, but even if there were not, the referees have the power to rule that, had the correct call been made initially, the clock would have run out; they could declare the game over.gerryb323 wrote:There would have been a 10 second runoff I thinkBC Wave wrote:If I may play devil’s advocate, had the play been reviewed and upheld, would it have been right for Ole Miss to have a chance to run a play?
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You're right. I forgot about the failed sneak. So perhaps both teams could have benefited from "time to think." But the outcome would hstill have been more fair.gerryb323 wrote:Except they did have time to get a play off!Roller wrote:I think so, too, but even if there were not, the referees have the power to rule that, had the correct call been made initially, the clock would have run out; they could declare the game over.gerryb323 wrote:There would have been a 10 second runoff I thinkBC Wave wrote:If I may play devil’s advocate, had the play been reviewed and upheld, would it have been right for Ole Miss to have a chance to run a play?
(and before anybody else jumps on that, I'll quote the wag: "Fair is where you go to eat cotton candy and corn dogs and step in cow manure.")
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I hear you, Roller, but football officials at all levels are taught the same thing: never, ever guess on a play, a score, a foul. If you have to convince yourself...it didn’t happen so keep your flag in your pocket and keep your arms at your side. There is no such thing as a “if it’s close let’s signal a score and then sort it out.” I can’t say what the replay booth officials should have done because that doesn’t exist in high school, but what you suggest is not in the mechanics manual at any level.Roller wrote:Agreed!MattK wrote:Did they have cameras on the goal line? If not, It may not get overturned anyway. And if the dude buzzed down and they don’t overturn the call, then Ole Miss doesn’t get to even try the next play because of the 10 second run off.Johnny Mac wrote:the worst part is, the replay official in the booth should have immediately had the thought "hmm, that one looked in to me.. let me buzz down" without seeing a replay.. from what I understand, it was a PAC12 crew doing the gamePoseidon wrote:Yeah they got hosed. Not sure why they reveiw any plays ever if that wasn't worthy.
The guy on the goal line just needed to get the call right.
Like I said at the time we got screwed over, the right thing for the ref to do when it is very close like that is to call it a TD. That would stop the clock and allow review. If the TD is overruled, then the clock could wind. In the Ole Miss case, it was impossible to get players to the line and run the play before time expired, so the refs could have simply ruled that "it was not a TD and time has expired." That way, nobody gets hurt.
Any time there is a play close enough that the ref's call could go either way, he should ALWAYS err on the side that does not prevent a review.
TUPF might have thoughts on this.
I'm not sure how or if the rule book addresses such situations, but personally, I'm not an absolutist when it comes to following the letter of the law. IMO, it's more important to get it right than it is to be a stickler for the rule book.
I didn’t watch the SMU game so cannot comment on specifics but the mechanism for officials are this: only the line judge and/or the head linesman signal a score on a play near the goal line unless it’s really obvious (say a safety signaled by the white hat). If it’s close to the goal line they will look at each other before signaling. Inside the 5 yard line both the line judge and the head linesman go to the goal line and straddle it at the snap, and both crash in for plays inside the hash marks. Other officials can signal that they definitely saw the ball cross the goal line before the runner was down by raising hand to the chest to signal to the line officials, but never raise arms to signal a TD. I hear all the discussions about goal line cameras which are great until they are shielded by a scrum on the field.
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Roller that Philosophy works at all levels that don't have video reviews. The ultimate goal is to get the game ruled correct. That is why they do photo finishes in horse racing. You don't make a call that disallows the use of a "photo finish."
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I expect the Ole Miss boards are blowing up over this...
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Well, if there's no replay, that makes perfect sense. But when there is a possibility of a definitive replay, that approach eliminates the opportunity to "get it right." In particular, I think it's the wrong approach in goalline plays in the final seconds.TUPF wrote:...If you have to convince yourself...it didn’t happen so keep your flag in your pocket and keep your arms at your side. ...
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I think if the referee isn't sure, he should err on the side that allows a review. However, with the replay standard being such as it is, borderline calls often stand as called. I'd bet the refs think they get the calls right most of the time and don't need to be reviewedRoller wrote:Well, if there's no replay, that makes perfect sense. But when there is a possibility of a definitive replay, that approach eliminates the opportunity to "get it right." In particular, I think it's the wrong approach in goalline plays in the final seconds.TUPF wrote:...If you have to convince yourself...it didn’t happen so keep your flag in your pocket and keep your arms at your side. ...
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Emilnem/stat ... 4950375424
Video from twitter that shows it better than the tv view did.
Video from twitter that shows it better than the tv view did.
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Pac 12 believes their officials handled it properly:
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Doesn't look like the ball ever crossed the goal line until after the guy landed and rolled.MattK wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Emilnem/stat ... 4950375424
Video from twitter that shows it better than the tv view did.
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I agree and I was watching it live.PeteRasche wrote:Doesn't look like the ball ever crossed the goal line until after the guy landed and rolled.MattK wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Emilnem/stat ... 4950375424
Video from twitter that shows it better than the tv view did.
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Either way the fact that it wasn't reviewed was the absolute worst part.long green wrote:I agree and I was watching it live.PeteRasche wrote:Doesn't look like the ball ever crossed the goal line until after the guy landed and rolled.MattK wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Emilnem/stat ... 4950375424
Video from twitter that shows it better than the tv view did.
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I don't know what you could reasonably do here. To stop the clock to review it gives Ole Miss a huge break to set up the final play in a measured way rather than having to rush it. Given the circumstances it seems it was handled as well as it could have.