Rotorooter wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:46 am
TUPF wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:12 am
It’s all academic until someone in your family dies. And to use that driving your car example for you non BMW drivers, we buckle up even though we don’t expect to die on the way to work and play. None of us get out of here alive. I’d just rather have a say if at all possible.
I’ve given up trying to reason with the folks who have toddler tantrums about their rights being infringed. Just give me a wide berth when you do so.
I really do not understand your passive/aggressive-ism. You feel endangered, take the necessary precautions you need to feel safe. So do I. I may feel that not wearing a mask in the fresh air is a prudent, calculated risk that I am willing to take, you may not. (I mean, if you can't breathe the air, you're f**cked anyway). Same is true with wearing a mask while you're driving in your car--you might, I don't. I keep distance, I wear a mask indoors, particularly in a crowded place, cannot really go to concerts or other activities. You feel differently--GREAT FOR YOU!! I don't have it, do everything I can not to get it, and do prudent things like personal hygiene not to give it out. If I get it, I quarantine for 14 days. Oh, and by the way, people in my family ARE going to die, it just depends on when and what from.
Given the numbers, a valid argument can be made that it is not worth shutting down an entire economy or shutting down one's life until a vaccine comes--if it ever does. There are prudent ways to go about your life while still being careful. There are drugs to take if you get it. Sorry you disagree, then stay at home. Lock 'er down. Stay six feet away. Embrace the suck. Call us stupid and feel better. Whatever.
We agree on more things than not. I’ve taken more risks in life than most and made peace with death at a young age through adulthood. I’ve read the evolving COVID-19 science, not relied on politicians with wild guesses about cures, and have adjusted my own behaviors as more has become known. Science evolves.
In January when I read that COVID was coming I had long discussions with my good friend visiting from Australia whose son and family lived in Shanghai about the coming storm. In February I started treating anything my family did as if there had been a cracked open nuclear warhead with rampant plutonium surface and air contamination. I set up a containment area in my garage for anything coming in the house—groceries, packages, mail. At the time I was surprised that masks weren’t recommended because I was thinking of my own training as a nuclear engineer (we would wear what we called the Big Bird suits, with respirators like in the movies, shower and scrub down, with radiac scans), a common bitch now by anti-maskers saying the medical folks changed their tune, which they did, but they didn’t know then what they know now.
As we learned more about aerosol spread and almost no surface contamination problems, especially with the Washington state incident caused by one church’s choir practice, my own stance changed. Aerosol is the key. Now it was just a case of what is a reasonable way to not be infected. Again using my nuclear engineering experience along with having handled nuclear weapons, the key mantra for protection is: time—distance—shielding. Time of exposure means the less the better. Am I going to get COVID just passing momentarily by someone who is infected? Probably a minuscule chance. Distance from someone who is infected if it’s anything like radiological contamination is related to distance squared. There is nothing magic about 6 feet other than some cough distance studies says that’s a reasonable distance for the expelled aerosol to die out. I’ve even seen some things that show 9 feet is better if you are around loud talkers or singers. Shielding—block the bad stuff. For COVID it’s not like we have to have an inch of lead to protect us, a cotton mask with a few folds is good enough.
I only wear a mask indoors. In Maryland it’s required. When I see folks driving with a mask on I snicker because it tells me they have no sense of the real risk and certainly don’t understand the science. I wear a mask indoors to protect me but as importantly to protect others should I be a carrier. When I see the Walmart folks with masks around their chin I just avoid them. When I volunteer weekly as a pony patrol at the local national seashore I keep a mask with me should visitors from everywhere approach me too close, or just step back. We have happy hours with neighbors periodically outside In our driveways and sometimes even dinners, spaced reasonably, without masks. We have outdoor fans to keep the air moving. We have visited no indoor restaurants or bars since this all started.
My football association will start officiating In October because some high schools are running modified scrimmages, setting up on the 40 yard line and running a series of downs. We will be masked and use hand held electronic whistles.
So, you see we are closer in practices than not. I just don’t want some bug-eyed science denier around me taking unnecessary liberties in the name of being done with COVID which may impact me and by connection, others I love.