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Eagles fire Doug Pederson 3 years after SB win

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Terrible season? Yes. Devastating injuries? Yes. Matador OL? Assuredly. QB honeymoon over? You betcha.

It's a tough business I know but I think owner Jeffrey Lurie was premature here. The Big Cheeseburger, Andy Reid, is probably enjoying this one.
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His decision to yank Hurts was an incredibly uncompetitive move. You always have to at least make it look like you're trying to win. No one will mention it on the record but I wonder if he lost much of his team over that and Lurie figured that after only winning four games this year, it was just easier replacing the coach.
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TUPF wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:50 pm The Big Cheeseburger, Andy Reid, is probably enjoying this one.
I suspect he's focused on something else
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Baywave1 wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:17 pm His decision to yank Hurts was an incredibly uncompetitive move. You always have to at least make it look like you're trying to win. No one will mention it on the record but I wonder if he lost much of his team over that and Lurie figured that after only winning four games this year, it was just easier replacing the coach.
I'm guessing it has more to do with the $100MM albatross that Hurts replaced? If the decision to pull Hurts was Pederson's and Pederson's alone, then it's the most head-scratching decision I've ever seen.
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Update: blame seems to be falling on failed relationship with Wentz

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philade ... 10113.html
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ml wave wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm Update: blame seems to be falling on failed relationship with Wentz

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philade ... 10113.html
interesting in that a new coach could possibly want to emulate the Ravens offense and Lamar by building it around Hurts thus rendering Wentz trade bait or a cap casualty.. does Lurie put the breaks on the hire of such a coach so he can keep an embarrassingly overpaid and overwhelmingly underperforming QB?
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Johnny Mac wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:43 pm
ml wave wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm Update: blame seems to be falling on failed relationship with Wentz

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philade ... 10113.html
interesting in that a new coach could possibly want to emulate the Ravens offense and Lamar by building it around Hurts thus rendering Wentz trade bait or a cap casualty.. does Lurie put the breaks on the hire of such a coach so he can keep an embarrassingly overpaid and overwhelmingly underperforming QB?
I think if you're firing a coach because of his bad relationship with the QB you've guaranteed $100MM+ to, it follows that it's important that the coach you hire will have to have a good relationship with Wentz. Wentz doesn't seem to be happy riding the bench, so, given that he's terrible and Hurts is at least promising...this is going to get very interesting. I believe the Eagles are in a really bad cap situation (Saints-like) so I think they're stuck with Wentz on the roster for at least the near future.
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Re: Eagles fire Doug Pederson 3 years after SB win

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ml wave wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:17 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:43 pm
ml wave wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm Update: blame seems to be falling on failed relationship with Wentz

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philade ... 10113.html
interesting in that a new coach could possibly want to emulate the Ravens offense and Lamar by building it around Hurts thus rendering Wentz trade bait or a cap casualty.. does Lurie put the breaks on the hire of such a coach so he can keep an embarrassingly overpaid and overwhelmingly underperforming QB?
I think if you're firing a coach because of his bad relationship with the QB you've guaranteed $100MM+ to, it follows that it's important that the coach you hire will have to have a good relationship with Wentz. Wentz doesn't seem to be happy riding the bench, so, given that he's terrible and Hurts is at least promising...this is going to get very interesting. I believe the Eagles are in a really bad cap situation (Saints-like) so I think they're stuck with Wentz on the roster for at least the near future.
nobody is in Saints-like cap he11... Saints are 95 million over for 2021 as of today
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Re: Eagles fire Doug Pederson 3 years after SB win

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Johnny Mac wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:26 pm
ml wave wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:17 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:43 pm
ml wave wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm Update: blame seems to be falling on failed relationship with Wentz

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philade ... 10113.html
interesting in that a new coach could possibly want to emulate the Ravens offense and Lamar by building it around Hurts thus rendering Wentz trade bait or a cap casualty.. does Lurie put the breaks on the hire of such a coach so he can keep an embarrassingly overpaid and overwhelmingly underperforming QB?
I think if you're firing a coach because of his bad relationship with the QB you've guaranteed $100MM+ to, it follows that it's important that the coach you hire will have to have a good relationship with Wentz. Wentz doesn't seem to be happy riding the bench, so, given that he's terrible and Hurts is at least promising...this is going to get very interesting. I believe the Eagles are in a really bad cap situation (Saints-like) so I think they're stuck with Wentz on the roster for at least the near future.
nobody is in Saints-like cap he11... Saints are 95 million over for 2021 as of today
Wow, that's insane
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Re: Eagles fire Doug Pederson 3 years after SB win

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Johnny Mac wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:26 pm
ml wave wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:17 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:43 pm
ml wave wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm Update: blame seems to be falling on failed relationship with Wentz

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philade ... 10113.html
interesting in that a new coach could possibly want to emulate the Ravens offense and Lamar by building it around Hurts thus rendering Wentz trade bait or a cap casualty.. does Lurie put the breaks on the hire of such a coach so he can keep an embarrassingly overpaid and overwhelmingly underperforming QB?
I think if you're firing a coach because of his bad relationship with the QB you've guaranteed $100MM+ to, it follows that it's important that the coach you hire will have to have a good relationship with Wentz. Wentz doesn't seem to be happy riding the bench, so, given that he's terrible and Hurts is at least promising...this is going to get very interesting. I believe the Eagles are in a really bad cap situation (Saints-like) so I think they're stuck with Wentz on the roster for at least the near future.
nobody is in Saints-like cap he11... Saints are 95 million over for 2021 as of today
The 95 million number assumes a cap of $175MM (though some speculation that could wind up higher)...Eagles are 89 million over (without a full roster) and have a doozy of a QB dilemma...I'll stick with "Saints-like".
Either way, the Eagles have one of the NFL's worst salary cap situations for 2021. Under offseason accounting rules, only the top 51 salaries (i.e.; cap numbers) matter. Philadelphia has just under $263.94 million in 2021 cap commitments with 46 players under contract according to NFLPA data.
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Re: Eagles fire Doug Pederson 3 years after SB win

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ml wave wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:10 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:26 pm
ml wave wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:17 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:43 pm
ml wave wrote: Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:56 pm Update: blame seems to be falling on failed relationship with Wentz

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philade ... 10113.html
interesting in that a new coach could possibly want to emulate the Ravens offense and Lamar by building it around Hurts thus rendering Wentz trade bait or a cap casualty.. does Lurie put the breaks on the hire of such a coach so he can keep an embarrassingly overpaid and overwhelmingly underperforming QB?
I think if you're firing a coach because of his bad relationship with the QB you've guaranteed $100MM+ to, it follows that it's important that the coach you hire will have to have a good relationship with Wentz. Wentz doesn't seem to be happy riding the bench, so, given that he's terrible and Hurts is at least promising...this is going to get very interesting. I believe the Eagles are in a really bad cap situation (Saints-like) so I think they're stuck with Wentz on the roster for at least the near future.
nobody is in Saints-like cap he11... Saints are 95 million over for 2021 as of today
The 95 million number assumes a cap of $175MM (though some speculation that could wind up higher)...Eagles are 89 million over (without a full roster) and have a doozy of a QB dilemma...I'll stick with "Saints-like".
Either way, the Eagles have one of the NFL's worst salary cap situations for 2021. Under offseason accounting rules, only the top 51 salaries (i.e.; cap numbers) matter. Philadelphia has just under $263.94 million in 2021 cap commitments with 46 players under contract according to NFLPA data.
ml, I highly recommend overthecap dot com... Eagles are 52 million over.
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Re: Eagles fire Doug Pederson 3 years after SB win

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Here's what over the cap says:
Saints: Total Cap Liabilities: $276,396,739 Top 51: $276,015,521 Team Cap Space: ($96,274,550)
Eagles: Total Cap Liabilities: $262,839,304 Top 51: $250,083,582 Team Cap Space: ($52,286,596)

Those numbers don't add up? Either way, think I'd rather be the Saints without a QB (Brees retiring should knock $25MM off that cap number) than the Eagles (fired a coach to stick with Wentz).

Edit: probably current year cap space carrying over to make up that difference? Only thing I can think of. Point still stands, lol.
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