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Basically the team that wins the toss will choose a spot on the field to spot the ball and the other team will decide to play offense or defense.

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Admitting that I did not click on the story, what's the point of that silliness? No one would say anything other than the 50 yard line (not knowing whether you will be O or D).... so why not just make play start at the 50 and dispense with the other stuff?
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The article points out that the current OT rules are 4X the Gettysburg address at 1120 words and if they have to put the rules on the TV screen every time a game goes into OT, the rules are too confusing.

The article actually gets a little confusing laying out various scenarios. The author of it does say that putting it at the 50 is the logical choice because if you say the 35, the other team will take offense and have a short field.

There’s also two timing rules being considered.
The Ravens will reportedly be offering two proposals: one’s sudden death, the first team to score wins, with 10 minutes of game clock. The other would keep the game going as normal for seven minutes and 30 seconds, no sudden-death component.
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Just get rid of OT in the regular season and play a 10 minute period for OT in the post season. If it's still tied at the end of ten minutes, play another. And so on.

For the regular season, there is nothing wrong with ties. The league acknowledges this by allowing ties to exist in the current system.
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waverider wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:35 pm The article points out that the current OT rules are 4X the Gettysburg address at 1120 words and if they have to put the rules on the TV screen every time a game goes into OT, the rules are too confusing.

The article actually gets a little confusing laying out various scenarios. The author of it does say that putting it at the 50 is the logical choice because if you say the 35, the other team will take offense and have a short field.

There’s also two timing rules being considered.
The Ravens will reportedly be offering two proposals: one’s sudden death, the first team to score wins, with 10 minutes of game clock. The other would keep the game going as normal for seven minutes and 30 seconds, no sudden-death component.
Wanna know what's not confusing? No OT.
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Sophandros wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:18 pm Just get rid of OT in the regular season and play a 10 minute period for OT in the post season. If it's still tied at the end of ten minutes, play another. And so on.

For the regular season, there is nothing wrong with ties. The league acknowledges this by allowing ties to exist in the current system.
Amen. In fact, there is nothing wrong with ties in college football. It would probably be a big help to the CFP committee.

Fun fact. Back in the tie era, there was almost always a winner and always a loser in every time game.
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I like the college format. I've never understood why the NFL didn't adopt something similar.
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PeteRasche wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:23 pm Admitting that I did not click on the story, what's the point of that silliness? No one would say anything other than the 50 yard line (not knowing whether you will be O or D).... so why not just make play start at the 50 and dispense with the other stuff?
No one would take the fifty. Ever. If you did that the other team would DEFINITELY take the ball and have a good chance score. It'd be a game to see how far from the fifty you'd put it, just far enough they wouldn't want the ball first, but no further than necessary.

I don't like the idea, but the "point" would be to do away with the silly rules about TD means sudden death, but FG means other team gets a chance, and all that complicated stuff. If OT started this way, it could truly be sudden death. I know normal NFL wisdom is to always take the ball first in a sudden death OT, but would you if you were spotted the ball on your own one yard line? So there's where the gamesmanship begins.....
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Roller wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:01 am I like the college format. I've never understood why the NFL didn't adopt something similar.
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Sophandros wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:18 pm Just get rid of OT in the regular season

For the regular season, there is nothing wrong with ties. The league acknowledges this by allowing ties to exist in the current system.
Also this.

I'd do a college OT for the playoffs, but nothing wrong with ties. I miss them!
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Ball at the 2, one play to score. Basically do or die 2 point conversion. Coin toss winner chooses offense or defense.
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Roller wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:01 am I like the college format. I've never understood why the NFL didn't adopt something similar.
NFL OT is the greatest thing on earth compared to college OT. I hate, hate, hate the football-themed gameshow that is college OT.
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This part is a little confusing and makes it sound like the team that chooses also chooses the direction they go.
Team A will pick a SPOT on the field — say, the offense’s 35-yard line. Team B would then get to CHOOSE whether to play offense and try to drive 65 yards for a touchdown OR play defense and hold Team A from driving those 65 yards.

Team A can’t just pick the defense’s 1-yard line, because then Team B would just flip the script and say, thank you very much, we’re on offense now with a short field. But if Team A decides to try to crush Team B deep in the offense’s own territory, Team B can just say, no thank you, you take the ball on the offense’s 10-yard line. And if Team A selects the 50-yard line, that’s the equivalent of a receiver getting the ball out to midfield, which most teams would be just fine with.

Is it always better to have the ball first, regardless of where you are on the field? Not necessarily. It’s almost like blackjack, where you have to decide whether to stand or hit on 16. What’s the break-point on the field where it’s more advantageous for Team B to select defense? PFT speculates it’s as far back as the offense’s 13-yard line. Any farther back than that, and it’s worthwhile to surrender the ball in order to pin Team A up against the end zone.
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Simplicity is best. With those convoluted rules they'll have to have someone on staff just to figure out all the puts and takes.
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TUPF wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:33 am Simplicity is best. With those consulted rules they'll have to have someone on staff just to figure out all the puts and takes.
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waverider wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:28 am This part is a little confusing and makes it sound like the team that chooses also chooses the direction they go.

I don't think it's even confusing. That's the whole idea. You pick a spot, long enough to make them not want to take the ball, but short enough that you want it. Hence the gamble.
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WaveProf wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:27 pm
waverider wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:28 am This part is a little confusing and makes it sound like the team that chooses also chooses the direction they go.
I don't think it's even confusing. That's the whole idea. You pick a spot, long enough to make them not want to take the ball, but short enough that you want it. Hence the gamble.
Picking a spot anyone can do. It's all the strategizing that goes into picking that particular spot that is the question. Think of the cheat sheet every NFL coach as for when to go for two. Even then sometimes head coaches override what the analysis tells them because of a gut feel, a momentum shift, or something they have seen on the field. There will be a whole cottage industry analyzing every OT spot on the field and even then a coach will do what he feels will be to his benefit in the moment. It makes no matter to me. I just think it unnecessarily complicates things.
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I don’t have a whole lot of care either way. But there’s nothing particularly confusing about the current rules.

They put them on tv at the start of OT because that’s just what they do. I’m pretty sure they did that under the sudden death rule too.
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MattK wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:29 pm I don’t have a whole lot of care either way. But there’s nothing particularly confusing about the current rules.

They put them on tv at the start of OT because that’s just what they do. I’m pretty sure they did that under the sudden death rule too.
I agree. The rule may need tweaking but how it works is pretty clear.
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waverider wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:43 pm
MattK wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:29 pm I don’t have a whole lot of care either way. But there’s nothing particularly confusing about the current rules.

They put them on tv at the start of OT because that’s just what they do. I’m pretty sure they did that under the sudden death rule too.
I agree. The rule may need tweaking but how it works is pretty clear.
I also agree and the only tweak I would make is that both teams are guaranteed a possession, whether there is a TD on the opening possession or not.
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I like the NFL OT. Use it in college. If no one scores, let there be ties. Ties are great. Make sportscasters and pundits do some math to figure out winning percentages.

I loathe the current college OT, which reminds me a bit of the NHL shootout--something else I detest.
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I’m going to start a thread to discuss other rules being considered but since this is the OT discussion I’ll put this piece here.
Per Chris Vannini:
The NCAA Football Rules Committee has recommended teams must go for 2 after a TD beginning in the 2nd OT.

Two-point shootout would begin in 3rd OT.

NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel will discuss changes in late April.
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