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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:49 pm 
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Too political? :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:58 pm 
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If you wanna go that route...
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... is a left-wing liberal who is responsible for the downfall of our country by starting a TV show that both opened the door for Reality TV taking over the airwaves while also collectively dropping the national IQ so much that we thought it was acceptable to elect another reality TV idiot as frigging president.

(see, I bashed both sides, you can't argue I'm being political) :angel:

Oh, crap, an angel isn't politically correct either! Delete that one too!


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As we used to say, did someone take a dump in your cornflakes this morning, ‘54? :angel:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:55 pm 
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As we used to say, did someone take a dump in your cornflakes this morning, ‘54? :angel:


LOL. But that wasn't possible in reality. This morning my wife asked me if I had any cereal left. I said no, so she picked some up at the grocery. But now that you mentioned it I will be sure to check tomorrow AM. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:59 am 
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Well the fvkstick who directed First Man felt the planting of the flag on the moon was too political and that it was a global accomplishment. Of course, said fvkstick didn't read the history of the reason we HAD a space program... to beat the USSR to the moon. It was an American achievement and no poorly educated liberal piece of shiat can change that fact... but have tried in their film.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:26 am 
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As a Cold Warrior I had an up close and personal view of Ivan. Very up close. There was no question what the Space Race was all about and all manner of military posturing for that matter. We were on the tip of the spear. Well before that I was a deliriously happy 13 year old on July 20, 1969.

Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.

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As a Cold Warrior I had an up close and personal view of Ivan. Very up close. There was no question what the Space Race was all about and all manner of military posturing for that matter. We were on the tip of the spear. Well before that I was a deliriously happy 13 year old on July 20, 1969.

Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.


So you're saying you bedded the hot Russians out of duty and not for fun like James Bond?

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I don’t know, I wasn’t there, I have no such knowledge of any operation.

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I don’t know, I wasn’t there, I have no such knowledge of any operation.


Yeah she said it seemed like you weren't there.

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Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.


no, I'm using my definition and it's the early 90s Clintonesque political correct movement that resulted in "participation trophies"... you can't hurt anyone's feelings so rather than show the truth that the US was telling the USSR "up yours, we got here first", it was a "global achievement" in the movie to avoid hurting everyone's feelings

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Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.


no, I'm using my definition and it's the early 90s Clintonesque political correct movement that resulted in "participation trophies"... you can't hurt anyone's feelings so rather than show the truth that the US was telling the USSR "up yours, we got here first", it was a "global achievement" in the movie to avoid hurting everyone's feelings


I think a less contentious word would be leftist snowflakes.

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Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.


no, I'm using my definition and it's the early 90s Clintonesque political correct movement that resulted in "participation trophies"... you can't hurt anyone's feelings so rather than show the truth that the US was telling the USSR "up yours, we got here first", it was a "global achievement" in the movie to avoid hurting everyone's feelings

Well, I guess I won’t bother seeing the movie because we kicked Soviet @sses fair and square.

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TUPF wrote:
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Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.


no, I'm using my definition and it's the early 90s Clintonesque political correct movement that resulted in "participation trophies"... you can't hurt anyone's feelings so rather than show the truth that the US was telling the USSR "up yours, we got here first", it was a "global achievement" in the movie to avoid hurting everyone's feelings

Well, I guess I won’t bother seeing the movie because we kicked Soviet @sses fair and square.


Watch the Right Stuff. Probably the best space movie ever

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Grew up in Cocoa Beach with a NASA Pioneer father, (pre 1960), watched the launch of Apollo 11 as a 12 year old with all the other NASA kids bussed out to the Cape. The man who designed the Lunar Module for Grumman lived down the street, and the German who designed the guidance system of the V-2 further down the street. Won’t be seeing the movie. This affront to the effort and national will to place that flag on the moon negates whatever entertainment value the film might have. JFK inspired this effort, and it was a vital safety valve in relieving the horrific pressure of the very hot Cold War. As a fellow Cold Warrior, (Combat Rescue and Electronic Warfare Pilot), the politics of that era, as I experienced among the active service members, was as diverse and open as one could hope for. The flag on the Apollo Eleven mission wasn’t perceived in a political sense, it was historical. And “The Right Stuff” I agree, is the best entertainment of the Space Movies!


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Isn't the emoji referring to Iwo Jima? Why did this thread even start?

Oh, nevermind. '54 started it. Carry on.

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Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.


no, I'm using my definition and it's the early 90s Clintonesque political correct movement that resulted in "participation trophies"... you can't hurt anyone's feelings so rather than show the truth that the US was telling the USSR "up yours, we got here first", it was a "global achievement" in the movie to avoid hurting everyone's feelings

Well, I guess I won’t bother seeing the movie because we kicked Soviet @sses fair and square.


Watch the Right Stuff. Probably the best space movie ever
I REALLY wanted to be an astronaut. The Right Stuff is committed to memory. Apollo 13 a close second. At one time “Houston, we are go for launch” was my ringtone.

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JFK inspired this effort, and it was a vital safety valve in relieving the horrific pressure of the very hot Cold War. As a fellow Cold Warrior, (Combat Rescue and Electronic Warfare Pilot), the politics of that era, as I experienced among the active service members, was as diverse and open as one could hope for. The flag on the Apollo Eleven mission wasn’t perceived in a political sense, it was historical. And “The Right Stuff” I agree, is the best entertainment of the Space Movies!
We are in violent agreement, shipmate.

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As a Cold Warrior I had an up close and personal view of Ivan. Very up close. There was no question what the Space Race was all about and all manner of military posturing for that matter. We were on the tip of the spear. Well before that I was a deliriously happy 13 year old on July 20, 1969.

Having said that, even though I would have carried out my duties without hesitation, my politics are fairly liberal in some respects, so be careful when you use “liberal” as an epithet. Look up the definition of liberal. It’s not what MAGA folks say it is.


There is the rub. Those who champion themselves as liberals today in congress, television, and on campuses are not the same thing as a liberal from the 20th century and in no way like a liberal from the 19th. Liberals today champion socialism, social justice("white privilege" and other group justice ideas), and any Christian traditions. 20th century liberals generally held the view at many government programs were useful as long as they were below diminishing returns(smaller). They understood individuals and classes had privilege not whites. They also understood that Christianity, true or untrue, was part of the foundation for western society and it would be foolish to throw out Christian principles as they served as a good general moral baseline for secular society as well. Also today liberals have flipped on free speech and individual freedom. Consider 50 years ago when free love, and free speech were what liberals valued. Now it is clear that liberals are shaming people out of jobs and other devours because they simply utter terms that are unacceptable to their liberal world view. "Hate-speech" is thrown out as a limiter on free speech. However, what makes terms "hate-speech" is simply anything that offends anyone who is willing to complain, or bemoan loud enough about it. Free love and sexuality has been replaced with denial sexual attraction and forced it into a draconian consent agreement which may or may not be changed retroactively. Paradoxically this just serves to relieve people of responsibility of their choices, whereas the 60's freedom movement was a plea to give the people the ability to do what they wanted knowing they would be responsible for their actions.

I am not stating this from a political view, but a historical one. I am not making an argument for or against something just observing.

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Annnnnnd, lock

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You can't give your opinion of liberalism now compared to last century and end it with "oh, but that's just the historical facts" and think that makes it ok.

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You can't give your opinion of liberalism now compared to last century and end it with "oh, but that's just the historical facts" and think that makes it ok.


First, you said "facts" not I. I stated it was a historical observation because it is. It was not an attempt be partisan or political. Am I not allowed to make observe and report what I know from a historical point of merely to suggest that someone who considered themselves liberal 1960-90 do often not the same philosophy as mainstream liberals today.

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Annnnnnd, lock


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You can't give your opinion of liberalism now compared to last century and end it with "oh, but that's just the historical facts" and think that makes it ok.


Why not?

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JFK inspired this effort, and it was a vital safety valve in relieving the horrific pressure of the very hot Cold War. As a fellow Cold Warrior, (Combat Rescue and Electronic Warfare Pilot), the politics of that era, as I experienced among the active service members, was as diverse and open as one could hope for. The flag on the Apollo Eleven mission wasn’t perceived in a political sense, it was historical. And “The Right Stuff” I agree, is the best entertainment of the Space Movies!
We are in violent agreement, shipmate.


And how would you characterize leaving the flag out of the movie if the original planting wasn't a political statement. (This all assumes it wasn't a "moon landing" on a sound stage)

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?

You can't give your opinion of liberalism now compared to last century and end it with "oh, but that's just the historical facts" and think that makes it ok.


First, you said "facts" not I. I stated it was a historical observation because it is. It was not an attempt be partisan or political. Am I not allowed to make observe and report what I know from a historical point of merely to suggest that someone who considered themselves liberal 1960-90 do often not the same philosophy as mainstream liberals today.

This is why we don't discuss politics

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