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Annnnnnd, lock


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You can't give your opinion of liberalism now compared to last century and end it with "oh, but that's just the historical facts" and think that makes it ok.


I personally think it's a pretty accurate, non-biased summary... we should probably tone down the rhetoric a bit before it truly does become too political.. and of course I say this as the instigator of the whole thing since '54 was probably being tongue in cheek with his question about the emoji and I went on my First Man rant because it was the closest soap box.

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JFK inspired this effort, and it was a vital safety valve in relieving the horrific pressure of the very hot Cold War. As a fellow Cold Warrior, (Combat Rescue and Electronic Warfare Pilot), the politics of that era, as I experienced among the active service members, was as diverse and open as one could hope for. The flag on the Apollo Eleven mission wasn’t perceived in a political sense, it was historical. And “The Right Stuff” I agree, is the best entertainment of the Space Movies!
We are in violent agreement, shipmate.


And how would you characterize leaving the flag out of the movie if the original planting wasn't a political statement. (This all assumes it wasn't a "moon landing" on a sound stage)

Haven’t seen the movie. We’ve planted US flags everywhere we’ve been, including when our submarines surface through the ice on the North Pole. Honestly I dont get my skivvies in a wad either way. I think the flag is important but I served to protect anyone’s right to say it is not.

As I told my daughter a few months ago, I am patriotic but not jingoistic. Curiously I find the most vociferous flag wavers mostly have never served.

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Johnny Mac wrote:
gerryb323 wrote:
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Annnnnnd, lock


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You can't give your opinion of liberalism now compared to last century and end it with "oh, but that's just the historical facts" and think that makes it ok.


I personally think it's a pretty accurate, non-biased summary... we should probably tone down the rhetoric a bit before it truly does become too political.. and of course I say this as the instigator of the whole thing since '54 was probably being tongue in cheek with his question about the emoji and I went on my First Man rant because it was the closest soap box.

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When 54 first posted this, whether he intended it or not, it was destined to be locked. There was no way it was NOT going to be political.

There are a million other things to talk about, why do we have to talk about politics? Regardless of whether anyone finds any of this inflammatory or not, the whole topic can be avoided. It's just that too many people these days refuse to avoid it - or actually enjoy arguing (I mean, if people didn't enjoy arguing, 3/4 of ESPN's late afternoon programming would die out).

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5. Posts of a religious or political nature or any post that infers or implies a religious or political agenda, will be deleted, no matter how well intended. Politics and religion have no place on a University/Athletics forum. Unfortunately, these subjects always conclude with provocative and divisive results and are outside the purpose of this forum.

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When 54 first posted this, whether he intended it or not, it was destined to be locked. There was no way it was NOT going to be political.

There are a million other things to talk about, why do we have to talk about politics? Regardless of whether anyone finds any of this inflammatory or not, the whole topic can be avoided. It's just that too many people these days refuse to avoid it - or actually enjoy arguing (I mean, if people didn't enjoy arguing, 3/4 of ESPN's late afternoon programming would die out).

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When 54 first posted this, whether he intended it or not, it was destined to be locked. There was no way it was NOT going to be political.

There are a million other things to talk about, why do we have to talk about politics? Regardless of whether anyone finds any of this inflammatory or not, the whole topic can be avoided. It's just that too many people these days refuse to avoid it - or actually enjoy arguing (I mean, if people didn't enjoy arguing, 3/4 of ESPN's late afternoon programming would die out).

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I agree. The problem is Politics has a way inserting itself into things that aren't initially political(ESPN reporting, NFL pre-game ceremonies). Too often the result is we just deem those things now too political and refuse to talk about them. Since we don't talk there is no understanding, it gets worse. We don't have to talk, but it's good to know where other people are as far as their principles and desires. That's called peaceful coexistence. Sure it may mean there is some tension, but its when we feel lied to or betrayed that destroys trust and respect so thoroughly. As you know, this also means we must learn the difference between a conversation and an argument.

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What about: :king: is that too patriarchal? :twisted: Surely refers to Satan. :machinegun: Pro gun? :santablue: Religion Again. :shootself: Insenitive to mental health issues?

Context and tone. Context and tone. I will leave it at that.

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Johnny Mac wrote:
gerryb323 wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
gerryb323 wrote:
Annnnnnd, lock


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You can't give your opinion of liberalism now compared to last century and end it with "oh, but that's just the historical facts" and think that makes it ok.


I personally think it's a pretty accurate, non-biased summary... we should probably tone down the rhetoric a bit before it truly does become too political.. and of course I say this as the instigator of the whole thing since '54 was probably being tongue in cheek with his question about the emoji and I went on my First Man rant because it was the closest soap box.


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TUPF wrote:
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JFK inspired this effort, and it was a vital safety valve in relieving the horrific pressure of the very hot Cold War. As a fellow Cold Warrior, (Combat Rescue and Electronic Warfare Pilot), the politics of that era, as I experienced among the active service members, was as diverse and open as one could hope for. The flag on the Apollo Eleven mission wasn’t perceived in a political sense, it was historical. And “The Right Stuff” I agree, is the best entertainment of the Space Movies!
We are in violent agreement, shipmate.


And how would you characterize leaving the flag out of the movie if the original planting wasn't a political statement. (This all assumes it wasn't a "moon landing" on a sound stage)

Haven’t seen the movie. We’ve planted US flags everywhere we’ve been, including when our submarines surface through the ice on the North Pole. Honestly I dont get my skivvies in a wad either way. I think the flag is important but I served to protect anyone’s right to say it is not.

As I told my daughter a few months ago, I am patriotic but not jingoistic. Curiously I find the most vociferous flag wavers mostly have never served.


I'm basing my assessment off of the guy who made the movie :coolshades:

Agree about the jingoism. Most ex military I know are steely eyed quiet guys who subtly brag about their sexual exploits in the service of their country

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And how would you characterize leaving the flag out of the movie if the original planting wasn't a political statement. (This all assumes it wasn't a "moon landing" on a sound stage)[/quote]

I would say it was not perceived as political in the context of Left/Right, Democrat or Republican. It was certainly political in context of Democracy/Capitalism vs. Communism/Marxism. That was the placebo that consumed tens of billions of dollars and rubles that could have been added to the fires stoking the Cold War.
As for the sound stage hoax. That would mean almost everyone I knew growing up, and tens of thousands more all over the country, possessed the ability to keep their mouths shut about the greatest waste of resources in history. My dad was Deputy Director of the Kennedy Space Center for Resources and Financial Management. He lied about fishing, but as far as I know, that was it.


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And how would you characterize leaving the flag out of the movie if the original planting wasn't a political statement. (This all assumes it wasn't a "moon landing" on a sound stage)


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I would say it was not perceived as political in the context of Left/Right, Democrat or Republican. It was certainly political in context of Democracy/Capitalism vs. Communism/Marxism. That was the placebo that consumed tens of billions of dollars and rubles that could have been added to the fires stoking the Cold War.
As for the sound stage hoax. That would mean almost everyone I knew growing up, and tens of thousands more all over the country, possessed the ability to keep their mouths shut about the greatest waste of resources in history. My dad was Deputy Director of the Kennedy Space Center for Resources and Financial Management. He lied about fishing, but as far as I know, that was it.


You don't know me well enough to get the hoax statement. Is was meant to be droll.

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And how would you characterize leaving the flag out of the movie if the original planting wasn't a political statement. (This all assumes it wasn't a "moon landing" on a sound stage)


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I would say it was not perceived as political in the context of Left/Right, Democrat or Republican. It was certainly political in context of Democracy/Capitalism vs. Communism/Marxism. That was the placebo that consumed tens of billions of dollars and rubles that could have been added to the fires stoking the Cold War.
As for the sound stage hoax. That would mean almost everyone I knew growing up, and tens of thousands more all over the country, possessed the ability to keep their mouths shut about the greatest waste of resources in history. My dad was Deputy Director of the Kennedy Space Center for Resources and Financial Management. He lied about fishing, but as far as I know, that was it.


You don't know me well enough to get the hoax statement. Is was meant to be droll.


I didn’t for a minute think you were taken to belief in the “lunar sound stage” hoax. I worked at KSC for a year while waiting for my class date at Reese AFB for Pilot Training. There was an amazing building called the O&C, Operations and Checkout, where a full spare Lunar Module and Rover were stored along with the various scientific experiment packages, so the thought had occurred to me that with a little styrofoam and pixie dust, maybe...


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The moon landing was both an american AND a world accomplishment. Let's not negate "one giant leap for mankind"

Replacing the flag in the movie is both historically inaccurate, it is also annoyingly facile, predictable, and PC

Getting worked up about the flag being replaced in the movie is equally facile and predictable

And if anyone thinks giving a partisian, over-simplified version of the history of either political party isn't being "political", then I have some seaside real estate to sell them in Arizona.

Also, anyone equating Clinton with "liberalism" (or any specific political ideology) is being far too generous to Mr. Clinton's brain cells. Now THAT's being political.

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How was it a world accomplishment and how is removing the flag from the movie historically accurate?

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How was it a world accomplishment and how is removing the flag from the movie historically accurate?



The first isn't worthy of a response, the second was a typo. That's predictable (with me) too :mrgreen: Fixing it now.

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WaveProf wrote:
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How was it a world accomplishment and how is removing the flag from the movie historically accurate?



The first isn't worthy of a response, the second was a typo. That's predictable (with me) too :mrgreen: Fixing it now.


why isn't it worthy of a response? while German scientists contributed to the rocket development of our space program, it wasn't as if we were collaborating with Germany.. they were working for the US government.. it was NOT a world accomplishment.. it was Kennedy and then Johnson sticking it up Krushchev's and Brezhnev's a88es by saying, "we got here first mutha fkkas!!"

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How was it a world accomplishment and how is removing the flag from the movie historically accurate?



The first isn't worthy of a response, the second was a typo. That's predictable (with me) too :mrgreen: Fixing it now.


Please explain how it was not an American accomplishment comrade.

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windywave wrote:
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How was it a world accomplishment and how is removing the flag from the movie historically accurate?



The first isn't worthy of a response, the second was a typo. That's predictable (with me) too :mrgreen: Fixing it now.


Please explain how it was not an American accomplishment comrade.


Same way Sputnik was a worldwide accomplishment.

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What about: :king: is that too patriarchal? :twisted: Surely refers to Satan. :machinegun: Pro gun? :santablue: Religion Again. :shootself: Insenitive to mental health issues?

Context and tone. Context and tone. I will leave it at that.


It has been a while since I clicked on this thread. When I posted the original emoji, I was suggesting (in jest) it might be political because of the protests about the flag itself. Then the First Man thing came up. But if you look at it again, you might think (as I did) that it definitely looks like the planting of the flag at Iwo Jima, not the planting of the flag on the moon. My question now is there an emoji representing of "making a mountain our of a mole hill" available? Because that is just what this thread has become, more than anything else. One more here... :roll:

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the protests about the flag itself.

Huh?

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the protests about the flag itself.


Huh?


Showing respect to it at athletic events.

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