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I'm partial to Slovenia. Ljubljana is a hidden gem and Lake Bled is straight out of a fairy tale. I ended up proposing in Bled because I knew I would never find a more picturesque locale.

Bled is perfect for that. Did you get a chance to go to Radivlicha (sp?). Maybe 5 miles away and none of the tourists.

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For disappointments let me add Split Croatia. But Zagreb and Dubrovnik both exceeded expectations (just leave town in Dubrovnik on days the cruise ships are docking)

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I've been to Normandy.

Not the beaches I was talking about.

If you're that way go to Mont St. Michel

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Yosemite NP in the spring is other worldly.

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Here’s one that we have mentioned before: Maroon Bells near Aspen. It’s so beautiful it doesn’t look real.

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I've been to Omaha beach, pont du hoc...both were pretty impressive.
Also on my list:
Fort Jefferson in the Dry Tortuga's
Delos
Peter and Paul Fortress/Cathedral in St. Petersburg
Crossed Sabers in Baghdad
Vasa Museum in Stockholm

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I thought of another overwhelming- March 16 my kids' orchestra and band performed in Carnegie Hall. Irish Tenor Emmett Cahill appeared with them. I got to be the Dr for the group; as such, I got to roam and look at all the amazing photos backstage of previous performers (Did not see Elena's photo, and I did lodge a complaint). Standing on the podium placed where Tchaikovsky directed the first performance there was amazing; the acoustics of the performance was unbelievable. I would love to hear a certain violinist performing there; would be more than worth one's while!

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tulaneoutlaw wrote:
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I'm partial to Slovenia. Ljubljana is a hidden gem and Lake Bled is straight out of a fairy tale. I ended up proposing in Bled because I knew I would never find a more picturesque locale.

Bled is perfect for that. Did you get a chance to go to Radivlicha (sp?). Maybe 5 miles away and none of the tourists.


We did! Really enjoyed the bee museum and ate at the place that makes gingerbread in the basement, Gostilna Lectar. Great little town.


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We did! Really enjoyed the bee museum and ate at the place that makes gingerbread in the basement, Gostilna Lectar. Great little town.

We did all of that too! That restaurant is one of my wife's favorite eastern/central european memories, and we still have two beer steins from that restaurant on display in our kitchen. Knowing her, she'll insist we drink out of them tonight in your honor.

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Overwhelming:

Ramses II temple in Abu Simbal, Egypt. 4 120 ft. high statues of Ramses outside his temple that was carved out of side of a mountain. Even more amazing, the temple was raised 250 ft. years ago when the Aswan Dam was built because original site was going to go under water. This temple in many ways was more impressive than the Pyramids.

Nuremberg, Germany. The birthplace of the Nazi Party, you can go to stadium and parade grounds designed by Zeppelin. Close your eyes and you can see what you have seen on TV many times...thousands of Germans and flags. Also, Nazi museum nearby pulls no punches, finishes with films of trials.

Octoberfest in Munich...not what I expected at all. In the middle of a gigantic amusement park, they set up about a dozen huge tents, all full of tables, food, beer and music. And all of them full of people.

Gibraltar...Didn't know its incredible history...occupied by many countries over the years. Natives are really descendants of sailors who stayed there. Rock is huge and honeycombed with 40 miles of tunnels which hid armor and munitions.

Pamana Canal...read the history before you go. Marvelous work of engineering. Overcame disease and political strife.




Cheerleader, the National Socialist German Workers' Party held is annual conventions in Nuremberg, but it was not the "birthplace" of the NAZI party. The folks in Nuremberg do not hesitate to tell you that! I agree with you that it is very much worth a visit. And so too is the Octoberfest!


Sorry, I just quoted what I thought I remembered our guide told us. We saw the building which was the headquarters building of the NSGWP. I was under the impression the whole thing started there, but I stand corrected.


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Nuremburg has more historical ties to the German monarchy than it does Naziism, which is why Hitler chose it for the large conventions in order to provide metaphorical backdrop for Leni Refehnstahl's documentary/propoganda film Triumph of the Will, which, besides being the most formative documentary in film history, provides most of the iconic shots we associate with Hitler and naziism today.

I've studied a lot of Refenstahl lately because every other year I guest teach a half week for a colleague in the history department when he teaches his Nazi Germany class (I show up to talk about/teach Third Reich cinema). The crazy thing about Refehnstahl is that its such an amazingly well done, transformative, and influential work of art.....until you consider what it's doing politically. But I guess it isn't shocking for some of the best formalistic work to be some of the worst in terms of what it actually has to say. Birth of a Nation is to narrative film what Triumph of the Will is to documentary.

My starkest memory of visiting Nuremburg was the taxi driver that drove us out to the stadium trying desperately to get me to pose for a picture where Hitler's podium would have been with a heil hitler salute, just to "be funny" (his words). I didn't bite (obviously). But I found it sad that the taxi driver would find the idea so funny 70 years later. The medieval city center was pretty fwiw

My other scary connection to this was needing a copy of Triumph of the Will to teach in graduate school, and two full professors having both libary copies on reserve for their classes. I went to the local second hand DVD store to purchase a copy. When I went to check out the guy gets kind of excited, asks "Do you like Refenstahl? I have a WHOLE LOT more nazi stuff in the back!" I politely got the heck out of there. Later saw a sex offender alert for the same guy. It fit.

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Better than expected: Gettysburg; You can walk the mile or so of the route through rolling terrain that Pickett's 12,500 soldiers charged unsuccessfully to break through Cemetery Ridge. Context is all and this gives it to us 150+ years later in full effect.


Most disappointing: Crater Lake. It's just a clear lagoon set in the top of a mountain. Views aren't interesting, hiking trails are meh and geologically it's not special. (It's just a geologic tub with a plug.) If you want to see fresh water mountain lakes Tahoe is much better with nearby skiing and of course casinos.


Most unexpected pleasure: Lassen NP. It's hard to get to so it has very few visitors even though it's located in California. Wow factor compared to number of folks you share it with is best at any significant tourist destination I've ever experienced.* To me it was geologically more interesting than Volcanoes NP on the Big Island. But the latter can be spectacular when the Kilauea is especially active as it has been in 2018.


*Possible exception is attending Good Friday service at Canterbury Cathedral. I would guess there were more ministers there giving the service including the Archbishop than congregants/spectators attending. FWIW Pope drew better at Easter service in Rome (by like a factor of 10,000x)


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What's there to teach about Nazi Germany outside of "a bunch of racist anti-Semitic douchebags who thought they could take over the world because they claimed they were supreme to all others and ended up getting their @sses handed to them"?

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I thought of another overwhelming- March 16 my kids' orchestra and band performed in Carnegie Hall. Irish Tenor Emmett Cahill appeared with them. I got to be the Dr for the group; as such, I got to roam and look at all the amazing photos backstage of previous performers (Did not see Elena's photo, and I did lodge a complaint). Standing on the podium placed where Tchaikovsky directed the first performance there was amazing; the acoustics of the performance was unbelievable. I would love to hear a certain violinist performing there; would be more than worth one's while!
I discussed this just now with Elena about performing for the first few times there. She said she did have a mini panic attack when she was standing where Heifetz or Oistrahk stood but then a buddy of hers told her...”You know, the toilets in the Green Room had their butts on the same toilet seats as you, and they probably had the same pre-concert nervous trots.” She said that still makes her laugh and helps her put the nerves aside.

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I thought of another overwhelming- March 16 my kids' orchestra and band performed in Carnegie Hall. Irish Tenor Emmett Cahill appeared with them. I got to be the Dr for the group; as such, I got to roam and look at all the amazing photos backstage of previous performers (Did not see Elena's photo, and I did lodge a complaint). Standing on the podium placed where Tchaikovsky directed the first performance there was amazing; the acoustics of the performance was unbelievable. I would love to hear a certain violinist performing there; would be more than worth one's while!
I discussed this just now with Elena about performing for the first few times there. She said she did have a mini panic attack when she was standing where Heifetz or Oistrahk stood but then a buddy of hers told her...”You know, the toilets in the Green Room had their butts on the same toilet seats as you, and they probably had the same pre-concert nervous trots.” She said that still makes her laugh and helps her put the nerves aside.


I had not thought of that while I was backstage. I was amazed by the six or so floors of practice rooms located backstage, did not even think about who else had put the "plumbing" to use before I was there! Slightly analogous to Pigpen's comments about the dust in the Christmas special "A Charlie Brown Christmas." Best wishes to your entire family, not to mention the other members of our family on this website, this holiday season!

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As a kid, my dad took me to Eglin Airforce Base in Ft. Walton and we walked the Pneumatic Hanger which was about 60 below. Sure not a great Cathedral or Museum, but as a young kid, WOW, what an experience. As we drove along the flight line, I took a few pictures. When I had the film developed, I was counseled by the film's developer that the pictures I took had to be turned over to the Air Force 'cause the pictures of the B58 Bomber were restrictive and could not be in the public's hands. …. and that the Gov was pissed I had taken these secret pictures of a plane which no one knew about. Hey then don't drive me down the flight line.

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- Apollo Mission Control room in Houston. It really is just a bunch of antiquated consoles but for someone who wanted to be an astronaut...Wow.

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Biggest disappointment ever:

Tahiti. Of course, it rained every day we were there for 10 days, so that didn't help, but we visited 6 islands and all we saw was a third world country and 5 star resorts. A long way to go for that.


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a third world country and 5 star resorts. A long way to go for that.

You could just go to Jamaica for that!

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You could just go to Jamaica for that!

I spent a week in Jamaica, never stepped foot on a resort (of any kind of star), and found it to be an amazing, beautiful, complex, wonderful place. I'd live there before many, many places in the US.

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If you are going to go to ponder DDay and the past, Omaha and pont du hoc are amazing. But if your goal is to really explore the bunkers, try the Basque french coast sometime, the bunkers there are even better preserved and not as overrun with tourists (because no fighting ended up happening there). My understanding is the same is true just north of the basque couuntry as well

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Waveprof you're doing Chicago and Austin wrong. I have a blast every time I go to both!!


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BC Wave wrote:
Yosemite NP in the spring is other worldly.


Yosemite, Jackson Hole, Yellowstone, the Sawtooths all so amazing.


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WaveProf wrote:
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You could just go to Jamaica for that!

I spent a week in Jamaica, never stepped foot on a resort (of any kind of star), and found it to be an amazing, beautiful, complex, wonderful place. I'd live there before many, many places in the US.




Loved my stay in Jamaica as well but I'm curious as to where you stayed... I'm not sure it's very safe if you venture off from the resorts and coastal areas. Kingston is very dangerous isn't it? The Montego Bay side is not.


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You could just go to Jamaica for that!

I spent a week in Jamaica, never stepped foot on a resort (of any kind of star), and found it to be an amazing, beautiful, complex, wonderful place. I'd live there before many, many places in the US.




Loved my stay in Jamaica as well but I'm curious as to where you stayed... I'm not sure it's very safe if you venture off from the resorts and coastal areas. Kingston is very dangerous isn't it? The Montego Bay side is not.

Kingston is not safe unless you really know what you’re doing (I.e. have lived there for years). Same is probably true of Detroit

We were mostly in Ocho Rios, but explored the whole south coast and blue mountains. Brief amount of time in Montego Bay

Only time anything felt sketchy was at times the cruise ships were in town and they assumed we were with them because we were white. Otherwise, felt totally safe. Walked around alone at night, ate street food, got to know people by the end of the week. Didn’t talk to a single non Jamaican all week except at the coffee plantation excursion.

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