Let's do something different this Christmas

[Fan Since '54]

What's your favorite Christmas song? Here's mine. Last Christmas!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI[/youtube]

[OGSB]

I’d like to think there will be more Christmases to come

[doncecco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5wXojemRM

Hee Hon Hee Hon

[PeteRasche]

What's your favorite Christmas song? Here's mine. Last Christmas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whamageddon

And who just lost due to FS54??

[PeteRasche]

[OGSB]

Just heard that one on the radio while sightseeing. Classic!

[gerryb323]

[gerryb323]

What's your favorite Christmas song? Here's mine. Last Christmas!



Fan since '54

Good one!

[WaveProf]

What's your favorite Christmas song? Here's mine. Last Christmas!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI[/youtube]

Last Christmas?

OK, you really are just trolling us to get a reaction now, right?

[WaveProf]

Traditional: Good King Wenceslas
Regional: Papa Noel
Modern: Happy Xmas (War is Over)
Religious: Silent Night
Kitch: Dominic the Italian Christmas Donkey
Non Xmas Xmas song: Fairytales of New York or Pretty Paper (tie)

[PeteRasche]

(silently waits for windy to comment on prof picking "the commie" John Lennon as his favorite Christmas song... )

[WaveProf]

Also for pure unbridled sincerity in a genre that is mostly cynically selling romanticism: Feliz Navidad.

[AO Sig]

I love the classical Christmas tunes; Coventry Carol and Wexford Carol; Handel's Messiah, especially "For Unto Us a Child is Born."

when I hear them I imagine myself sitting in a Cathedral at midnight Mass on Christmas Eve. The feelings of peace and calm during an otherwise phrenetic time are certainly welcome.

[PeteRasche]

Also for pure unbridled sincerity in a genre that is mostly cynically selling romanticism: Feliz Navidad.

When my daughter was in kindergarten, she would sing Feliz "la-vee-dah" and wouldn't hear of us telling her it was "Navidad". At one point she said, "I'm taking Spanish, and you don't know Spanish" (which was true)... But I certainly know the phrase and the name of the song! We remind her of the story every year when we hear it.

[BACONWAVE]

Christmas Vacation song

[WaveProf]

Also for pure unbridled sincerity in a genre that is mostly cynically selling romanticism: Feliz Navidad.

When my daughter was in kindergarten, she would sing Feliz "la-vee-dah" and wouldn't hear of us telling her it was "Navidad". At one point she said, "I'm taking Spanish, and you don't know Spanish" (which was true)... But I certainly know the phrase and the name of the song! We remind her of the story every year when we hear it.

My mother in law had a secretary at work who insisted (until shown otherwise) the words were "Fleas Never Die"

[Fan Since '54]

Okay, just thought I'd check how many people liked "Last Christmas". Turned it currently has 599 million+ views. Wow. Probably 600 million by the time the sun rises tomorrow.

Fan since '54

[PeteRasche]

Okay, just thought I'd check how many people liked "Last Christmas". Turned it currently has 599 million+ views. Wow. Probably 600 million by the time the sun rises tomorrow.

Fan since '54

It hit the Billboard top ten this week (since they changed the rules to count internet streams so any time it plays anywhere it counts), as did several other Christmas classics.

[WaveProf]

Okay, just thought I'd check how many people liked "Last Christmas". Turned it currently has 599 million+ views. Wow. Probably 600 million by the time the sun rises tomorrow.

Fan since '54

Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift tend to do well based on views too. Last Christmas should heed this warning: You are the company you keep.

[PeteRasche]

Yeah, when they make a game out of seeing how long you can avoid hearing a Christmas song (see my "whamageddon" post at the top) that generally means people are sick of the song and have recognized how overplayed and therefore annoying it is...

[TUPF]

Okay, just thought I'd check how many people liked "Last Christmas". Turned it currently has 599 million+ views. Wow. Probably 600 million by the time the sun rises tomorrow.

Fan since '54

Had a long drive to check on our place in Philly yesterday and listened to a lot of radio. One NPR program was about a group of musicians trying to push Spotify to raise its per listen royalty fee of around 0.33 cents to 1 cent.

Even at 0.33 cents per listen, 600M listens would be $2M.

[PeteRasche]

Something seems off there TUPF. From what I've read most artists get basically nothing from subscription streaming services like Spotify. I believe you have to meet some minimum stream threshold to even get a fraction of a penny; I suspect artists getting 33 cents per stream are the very top ones. I'd be curious to see what Andrew Ridgely and the estate of George Michael get for each stream of that song on Spotify or Amazon Music or whatever.

Also, 54 was referencing views of the video on YouTube, which is free, and from what I understand is the go-to music outlet for youth for that reason. I listened to an interesting podcast a few weeks ago (and it was two years old) about how much money artists lose when they put a video on YouTube for free, since kids today Google a song they like and the first result (since Google owns YouTube) is the YouTube video of the song. Why pay for a streaming service of any sort when YouTube is free and you can set up a playlist of videos just like a music player playlist? Of course, this is why YouTube has added more and more ads, including within videos after a certain amount of time, so they can then offer you "YouTube Music" which removes the ads and allows listening with the screen of your phone off... for a subscription fee, of course.

If YouTube streams paid money per view, think about the few-but-growing artists who've reached the billion-view mark...

[TUPF]

Something seems off there TUPF. From what I've read most artists get basically nothing from subscription streaming services like Spotify. I believe you have to meet some minimum stream threshold to even get a fraction of a penny; I suspect artists getting 33 cents per stream are the very top ones. I'd be curious to see what Andrew Ridgely and the estate of George Michael get for each stream of that song on Spotify or Amazon Music or whatever.

Also, 54 was referencing views of the video on YouTube, which is free, and from what I understand is the go-to music outlet for youth for that reason. I listened to an interesting podcast a few weeks ago (and it was two years old) about how much money artists lose when they put a video on YouTube for free, since kids today Google a song they like and the first result (since Google owns YouTube) is the YouTube video of the song. Why pay for a streaming service of any sort when YouTube is free and you can set up a playlist of videos just like a music player playlist? Of course, this is why YouTube has added more and more ads, including within videos after a certain amount of time, so they can then offer you "YouTube Music" which removes the ads and allows listening with the screen of your phone off... for a subscription fee, of course.

If YouTube streams paid money per view, think about the few-but-growing artists who've reached the billion-view mark...

Pete, that's 0.33 cents, as in three streams yields you a penny. A couple of my daughter's albums are on Spotify and she's lucky to periodically get a couple of hundred dollars here and there. As the folks on the NPR segment said, if you are an artist hoping to make a living from Spotify you'll starve.

[AO Sig]

Some of you might remember Einar "Mr. Pete" Pedersen, who was the UC director for many years. Mr. Pete was also very active in Barbershop quartet music, and actually wrote a number of songs that were performed by International quartet and chorus champions. Mr. Pete was a part of ASCAP; despite the fact that all of these choruses, including the Mardi Gras Chorus in New Orleans, paid royalties for performing his songs, he told me that he never received a single penny in royalties, receiving letters that said "no performances were recorded."

He loved the Barbershop harmony; thank goodness he had the U.C., because despite his success as a songwriter, he and his family would have starved if they had to rely on royalties.

[PeteRasche]

Something seems off there TUPF. From what I've read most artists get basically nothing from subscription streaming services like Spotify. I believe you have to meet some minimum stream threshold to even get a fraction of a penny; I suspect artists getting 33 cents per stream are the very top ones. I'd be curious to see what Andrew Ridgely and the estate of George Michael get for each stream of that song on Spotify or Amazon Music or whatever.

Also, 54 was referencing views of the video on YouTube, which is free, and from what I understand is the go-to music outlet for youth for that reason. I listened to an interesting podcast a few weeks ago (and it was two years old) about how much money artists lose when they put a video on YouTube for free, since kids today Google a song they like and the first result (since Google owns YouTube) is the YouTube video of the song. Why pay for a streaming service of any sort when YouTube is free and you can set up a playlist of videos just like a music player playlist? Of course, this is why YouTube has added more and more ads, including within videos after a certain amount of time, so they can then offer you "YouTube Music" which removes the ads and allows listening with the screen of your phone off... for a subscription fee, of course.

If YouTube streams paid money per view, think about the few-but-growing artists who've reached the billion-view mark...

Pete, that's 0.33 cents, as in three streams yields you a penny. A couple of my daughter's albums are on Spotify and she's lucky to periodically get a couple of hundred dollars here and there. As the folks on the NPR segment said, if you are an artist hoping to make a living from Spotify you'll starve.

I did mean that, sorry I missed the decimal. But even so, my understanding is that most artists get nowhere near 0.33 cents per play. I believe most get nothing except exposure (or more like "not becoming irrelevant and unobtainable") and a chance to go viral and then perhaps make something.