Fritz contract extension
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Fritz contract extension
Hadn't seen this elsewhere. But I was told Fritz signed his much discussed contract extension last week. So that's done. don't know the financial details.
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Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some others)
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Re: Fritz contract extension
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Glad to hear it. He is moving us in the right direction. In this day and age, such extensions are needed for recruiting. Hope Fritz delivers a bowl season this year in a no doubt fashion (given that the refs at SMU wrongly denied us a bowl last year). Roll Wave!!!randymc wrote:Hadn't seen this elsewhere. But I was told Fritz signed his much discussed contract extension last week. So that's done. don't know the financial details.
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First off, we don't know the any of the terms of the extension. Secondly, if you can't see the difference between a Fritz-coached program and Toledo, Johnson, Teevens or Scelfo-coached program 1) you just aren't paying attention and/or 2) I question if you know what you're looking at.IM42lane wrote:Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some others)
Generally speaking, I get what you're saying about the two losing seasons. However, we have to put things into context. First, WF took over the program that was (again!) a dumpster fire. Second, we have upgraded our competition significantly, both in upgrading our league and OOC. Third, we have improved year-to-year, and this season is Fritz' first with a returning/experienced QB. Fourth, my own eyes tell me that I am seeing an improved product on the field.
Now, if we go another two or three losing seasons, then we have reason to gripe about an extension. But right now, I like where we sit and believe that we will start seeing positive results and bowl games. I couldn't say that about Teevens, the end of Scelfo's era, Toledo or Johnson (who disappointed me as his time wore on).
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Re: Fritz contract extension
also, we're coming off the best recruiting class that I've seen around here in DECADES.
and quite frankly, my single biggest concern when WF was hired was whether he could recruit talent to come here that could compete with the top tier schools in the AAC.
and quite frankly, my single biggest concern when WF was hired was whether he could recruit talent to come here that could compete with the top tier schools in the AAC.
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Re: Fritz contract extension
Naturally, the devil is in the details, but such contracts are a necessity for retention and recruiting these days. I also agree with several posters above the CWF has shown visible, tangible improvement with the product on the field. We're not where we need to be yet (although we were absolutely robbed of a bowl last year) but we're closer than we've been in an extremely long time.
Re: Fritz contract extension
This. Contract length hasn't been the problem is the past. Missed hires or not paying up is what has failed us. If Tulane fails to win in 18 and 19 'he gone' regardless of years left. Contacts are literally just about price per year and buy out. The actual length is never honored by coaches or schools. In all honesty it might as well be year to year with a buy-out stated, but that isn't how they do it simply because of perception IMO.GretnaGrn wrote:Naturally, the devil is in the details, but such contracts are a necessity for retention and recruiting these days. I also agree with several posters above the CWF has shown visible, tangible improvement with the product on the field. We're not where we need to be yet (although we were absolutely robbed of a bowl last year) but we're closer than we've been in an extremely long time.
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Re: Fritz contract extension
So, let me get this straight. You would really be willing to put up with another couple of years of losing under Fritz (or any HC) before demanding a change? Sorry, but I am NOT that patient. I am too old to wait any longer. Put up a couple of years of WINNING FOOTBALL, and then we will talk about any contract extension.Rotorooter wrote:First off, we don't know the any of the terms of the extension. Secondly, if you can't see the difference between a Fritz-coached program and Toledo, Johnson, Teevens or Scelfo-coached program 1) you just aren't paying attention and/or 2) I question if you know what you're looking at.IM42lane wrote:Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some other
Generally speaking, I get what you're saying about the two losing seasons. However, we have to put things into context. First, WF took over the program that was (again!) a dumpster fire. Second, we have upgraded our competition significantly, both in upgrading our league and OOC. Third, we have improved year-to-year, and this season is Fritz' first with a returning/experienced QB. Fourth, my own eyes tell me that I am seeing an improved product on the field .
I will agree with seeing an improved product over what was there before . I am with you on that point. However, it still adds up to two more LOSING years of Tulane football. This program needs to WIN, and WIN, AND WIN consistently. The FB product MUST create a situation where Yulman Stadium would not be big enough to handle an increased demand for tickets in the South La./New Orleans area due to Tulane WINNING MORE. That would show me definite improvement by this football program.
Now, if we go another two or three losing seasons, then we have reason to gripe about an extension. But right now, I like where we sit and believe that we will start seeing positive results and bowl games. I couldn't say that about Teevens, the end of Scelfo's era, Toledo or Johnson (who disappointed me as his time wore on).
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Re: Fritz contract extension
You are begging him to leave at the first sign of prosperity if you don't show him enough confidence to give him an extension. While I realize that even with an extension if somebody wanted him they could still get him, there is likely a clause that would at least get Tulane some money if it happened.
It's tough in the sense that if you did want to get rid of him down the road you would be stuck with a buyout because he has a longer contract, but I think he has shown enough that it is more likely we will want him to stick around.
It's tough in the sense that if you did want to get rid of him down the road you would be stuck with a buyout because he has a longer contract, but I think he has shown enough that it is more likely we will want him to stick around.
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Re: Fritz contract extension
You say you want a consistent winning product? THIS IS HOW YOU GET A CONSISTENT WINNING PRODUCT.
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In the spirit of WaveProf, I have only two words for IM42lane, Larry Smith. He is the one who built a solid foundation, after three dismal years.
If you want lightning in a bottle, Tommy Bowden. He wins, doesn't build a foundation, then leaves at his first opportunity (so did Smith, but at least he built something).
We ALL yearn for winning football. But not only do I want to settle for that, I want something with STAYING POWER. I like what WF is doing and I believe he is building that staying power. I also believe that TD does, too, that's why the extension was given. If he doesn't increase the level of the program, he's gone and we start over. Rinse and repeat.
If you want lightning in a bottle, Tommy Bowden. He wins, doesn't build a foundation, then leaves at his first opportunity (so did Smith, but at least he built something).
We ALL yearn for winning football. But not only do I want to settle for that, I want something with STAYING POWER. I like what WF is doing and I believe he is building that staying power. I also believe that TD does, too, that's why the extension was given. If he doesn't increase the level of the program, he's gone and we start over. Rinse and repeat.
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Re: Fritz contract extension
Rotorooter wrote:In the spirit of WaveProf, I have only two words for IM42lane, Larry Smith. He is the one who built a solid foundation, after three dismal years.
If you want lightning in a bottle, Tommy Bowden. He wins, doesn't build a foundation, then leaves at his first opportunity (so did Smith, but at least he built something).
We ALL yearn for winning football. But not only do I want to settle for that, I want something with STAYING POWER. I like what WF is doing and I believe he is building that staying power. I also believe that TD does, too, that's why the extension was given. If he doesn't increase the level of the program, he's gone and we start over. Rinse and repeat.
Well said...
Re: Fritz contract extension
You're an idiotIM42lane wrote:Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some others)
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Doubling downIM42lane wrote:So, let me get this straight. You would really be willing to put up with another couple of years of losing under Fritz (or any HC) before demanding a change? Sorry, but I am NOT that patient. I am too old to wait any longer. Put up a couple of years of WINNING FOOTBALL, and then we will talk about any contract extension.Rotorooter wrote:First off, we don't know the any of the terms of the extension. Secondly, if you can't see the difference between a Fritz-coached program and Toledo, Johnson, Teevens or Scelfo-coached program 1) you just aren't paying attention and/or 2) I question if you know what you're looking at.IM42lane wrote:Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some other
Generally speaking, I get what you're saying about the two losing seasons. However, we have to put things into context. First, WF took over the program that was (again!) a dumpster fire. Second, we have upgraded our competition significantly, both in upgrading our league and OOC. Third, we have improved year-to-year, and this season is Fritz' first with a returning/experienced QB. Fourth, my own eyes tell me that I am seeing an improved product on the field .
I will agree with seeing an improved product over what was there before . I am with you on that point. However, it still adds up to two more LOSING years of Tulane football. This program needs to WIN, and WIN, AND WIN consistently. The FB product MUST create a situation where Yulman Stadium would not be big enough to handle an increased demand for tickets in the South La./New Orleans area due to Tulane WINNING MORE. That would show me definite improvement by this football program.
Now, if we go another two or three losing seasons, then we have reason to gripe about an extension. But right now, I like where we sit and believe that we will start seeing positive results and bowl games. I couldn't say that about Teevens, the end of Scelfo's era, Toledo or Johnson (who disappointed me as his time wore on).
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Re: Fritz contract extension
You're also apparently too old to understand the modern way of dealing with college coaches contractually. Which is what we did. Which is what everyone above is trying to explain to you.IM42lane wrote:I am too old to wait any longer.
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For the record I wasn't trying to explain anythingPeteRasche wrote:You're also apparently too old to understand the modern way of dealing with college coaches contractually. Which is what we did. Which is what everyone above is trying to explain to you.IM42lane wrote:I am too old to wait any longer.
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Re: Fritz contract extension
Sometimes you can be a d!ck, windy. And I love it. You would have fit in just fine on a submarine. It was no place for dullards. You either gave as well as you got, or you curled up in a fetal position.windywave wrote:For the record I wasn't trying to explain anythingPeteRasche wrote:You're also apparently too old to understand the modern way of dealing with college coaches contractually. Which is what we did. Which is what everyone above is trying to explain to you.IM42lane wrote:I am too old to wait any longer.
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For the record I wasn't talking about you whatsoever.windywave wrote:For the record I wasn't trying to explain anythingPeteRasche wrote:You're also apparently too old to understand the modern way of dealing with college coaches contractually. Which is what we did. Which is what everyone above is trying to explain to you.IM42lane wrote:I am too old to wait any longer.
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I just wanted to provide clarityPeteRasche wrote:For the record I wasn't talking about you whatsoever.windywave wrote:For the record I wasn't trying to explain anythingPeteRasche wrote:You're also apparently too old to understand the modern way of dealing with college coaches contractually. Which is what we did. Which is what everyone above is trying to explain to you.IM42lane wrote:I am too old to wait any longer.
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Re: Fritz contract extension
So let me get this straight IM, if the FB team has a losing record this season, you propose to fire Coach Fritz? You would be out of patience and want to go in a new direction? You would demand a change? Do you seriously believe that is an approach to get us winning football? Because to me it seems ludicrous.IM42lane wrote:So, let me get this straight. You would really be willing to put up with another couple of years of losing under Fritz (or any HC) before demanding a change? Sorry, but I am NOT that patient. I am too old to wait any longer. Put up a couple of years of WINNING FOOTBALL, and then we will talk about any contract extension.Rotorooter wrote:First off, we don't know the any of the terms of the extension. Secondly, if you can't see the difference between a Fritz-coached program and Toledo, Johnson, Teevens or Scelfo-coached program 1) you just aren't paying attention and/or 2) I question if you know what you're looking at.IM42lane wrote:Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some other
Generally speaking, I get what you're saying about the two losing seasons. However, we have to put things into context. First, WF took over the program that was (again!) a dumpster fire. Second, we have upgraded our competition significantly, both in upgrading our league and OOC. Third, we have improved year-to-year, and this season is Fritz' first with a returning/experienced QB. Fourth, my own eyes tell me that I am seeing an improved product on the field .
I will agree with seeing an improved product over what was there before . I am with you on that point. However, it still adds up to two more LOSING years of Tulane football. This program needs to WIN, and WIN, AND WIN consistently. The FB product MUST create a situation where Yulman Stadium would not be big enough to handle an increased demand for tickets in the South La./New Orleans area due to Tulane WINNING MORE. That would show me definite improvement by this football program.
Now, if we go another two or three losing seasons, then we have reason to gripe about an extension. But right now, I like where we sit and believe that we will start seeing positive results and bowl games. I couldn't say that about Teevens, the end of Scelfo's era, Toledo or Johnson (who disappointed me as his time wore on).
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Re: Fritz contract extension
But you kind of were. You mention “everyone” that was “trying to explain”PeteRasche wrote:For the record I wasn't talking about you whatsoever.windywave wrote:For the record I wasn't trying to explain anythingPeteRasche wrote:You're also apparently too old to understand the modern way of dealing with college coaches contractually. Which is what we did. Which is what everyone above is trying to explain to you.IM42lane wrote:I am too old to wait any longer.
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Re: Fritz contract extension
Don't think there's much of a chance of this happening, but if we win 2-3 games (or less), I think you could probably make the argument for a change.CT Wave wrote:So let me get this straight IM, if the FB team has a losing record this season, you propose to fire Coach Fritz? You would be out of patience and want to go in a new direction? You would demand a change? Do you seriously believe that is an approach to get us winning football? Because to me it seems ludicrous.IM42lane wrote:So, let me get this straight. You would really be willing to put up with another couple of years of losing under Fritz (or any HC) before demanding a change? Sorry, but I am NOT that patient. I am too old to wait any longer. Put up a couple of years of WINNING FOOTBALL, and then we will talk about any contract extension.Rotorooter wrote:First off, we don't know the any of the terms of the extension. Secondly, if you can't see the difference between a Fritz-coached program and Toledo, Johnson, Teevens or Scelfo-coached program 1) you just aren't paying attention and/or 2) I question if you know what you're looking at.IM42lane wrote:Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some other
Generally speaking, I get what you're saying about the two losing seasons. However, we have to put things into context. First, WF took over the program that was (again!) a dumpster fire. Second, we have upgraded our competition significantly, both in upgrading our league and OOC. Third, we have improved year-to-year, and this season is Fritz' first with a returning/experienced QB. Fourth, my own eyes tell me that I am seeing an improved product on the field .
I will agree with seeing an improved product over what was there before . I am with you on that point. However, it still adds up to two more LOSING years of Tulane football. This program needs to WIN, and WIN, AND WIN consistently. The FB product MUST create a situation where Yulman Stadium would not be big enough to handle an increased demand for tickets in the South La./New Orleans area due to Tulane WINNING MORE. That would show me definite improvement by this football program.
Now, if we go another two or three losing seasons, then we have reason to gripe about an extension. But right now, I like where we sit and believe that we will start seeing positive results and bowl games. I couldn't say that about Teevens, the end of Scelfo's era, Toledo or Johnson (who disappointed me as his time wore on).
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What happens if another 5-7 season happens in 2018?ml wave wrote:Don't think there's much of a chance of this happening, but if we win 2-3 games (or less), I think you could probably make the argument for a change.CT Wave wrote:So let me get this straight IM, if the FB team has a losing record this season, you propose to fire Coach Fritz? You would be out of patience and want to go in a new direction? You would demand a change? Do you seriously believe that is an approach to get us winning football? Because to me it seems ludicrous.IM42lane wrote:So, let me get this straight. You would really be willing to put up with another couple of years of losing under Fritz (or any HC) before demanding a change? Sorry, but I am NOT that patient. I am too old to wait any longer. Put up a couple of years of WINNING FOOTBALL, and then we will talk about any contract extension.Rotorooter wrote:First off, we don't know the any of the terms of the extension. Secondly, if you can't see the difference between a Fritz-coached program and Toledo, Johnson, Teevens or Scelfo-coached program 1) you just aren't paying attention and/or 2) I question if you know what you're looking at.IM42lane wrote:Why? Really, . . why? For what? Two LOSING seasons ? If this turns out to be true, then Tulane never ceases to amaze me when it comes to rewarding HC's for mediocrity achievement! (Just remember Teevens, Toledo, and some other
Generally speaking, I get what you're saying about the two losing seasons. However, we have to put things into context. First, WF took over the program that was (again!) a dumpster fire. Second, we have upgraded our competition significantly, both in upgrading our league and OOC. Third, we have improved year-to-year, and this season is Fritz' first with a returning/experienced QB. Fourth, my own eyes tell me that I am seeing an improved product on the field .
I will agree with seeing an improved product over what was there before . I am with you on that point. However, it still adds up to two more LOSING years of Tulane football. This program needs to WIN, and WIN, AND WIN consistently. The FB product MUST create a situation where Yulman Stadium would not be big enough to handle an increased demand for tickets in the South La./New Orleans area due to Tulane WINNING MORE. That would show me definite improvement by this football program.
Now, if we go another two or three losing seasons, then we have reason to gripe about an extension. But right now, I like where we sit and believe that we will start seeing positive results and bowl games. I couldn't say that about Teevens, the end of Scelfo's era, Toledo or Johnson (who disappointed me as his time wore on).
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Re: Fritz contract extension
That is an easy decision in my opinion, IM, you stay with Coach Fritz. I expect a bowl season, but can imagine another 5-7 season -- doody happens. And to demand a change should that occur, would be a huge mistake. Coach Fritz is improving our recruiting without question. Do you agree? He is developing our players. Do you agree? He makes solid in-game decisions. I believe he will get us to winning football on a consistent basis.
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