tulaneoutlaw wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:25 am
Best case is only 2-4 teams go to P2s, the B12 doesn't expand and we get picked as backfill. But I don't think the scenario of an ACC left with only Cuse, BC, Wake and VT is totally off the table.
As others pointed out, you skipped the three newcomers next year.
Syracuse, BC, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Cal, Stanford, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, USF? Maybe even Wazzu and OSU if it happens before they figure something out.
tulaneoutlaw wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:25 am
Best case is only 2-4 teams go to P2s, the B12 doesn't expand and we get picked as backfill. But I don't think the scenario of an ACC left with only Cuse, BC, Wake and VT is totally off the table.
As others pointed out, you skipped the three newcomers next year.
Syracuse, BC, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Cal, Stanford, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, USF? Maybe even Wazzu and OSU if it happens before they figure something out.
It's a good catch by nolasilver and you. I definitely hadn't included them. It makes me feel somewhat better about the ACC's chances because it resembles what the B12 did to gain stability. They grabbed the best G5 options and then waited for their moment to strike ultimately pulling the P12 apart (with the B10's fortuitus help). The P2 and B12 would have to be exceptionally hungry to devour the ACC the way they did the P12.
If the ACC does indeed survive this reckoning I feel good about our chances to get in. I hadn't thought about WSU and Or st., but those adds make sense. If they needed more western inventory, there are good programs like SDSU available still, but perhaps the 4 western teams combined with some in the central is enough. All fun speculation as long as tulane is part of it!
PeteRasche wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:39 am
Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.
*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".
Pete,
Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.
PeteRasche wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:39 am
Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.
*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".
Pete,
Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.
I don't think the ACC (or whoever) is going to audit the number of seats. We're going to say capacity is 30k now and we'll add 10k to get to 40k. Personally, I doubt the ACC without FSU/Clemson/etc would have as much of an issue with the size of Yulman as the Big12 (possibly with UT and Oklahoma...what was the time frame of this conversation, the current Big12 expansion or the previous one we were involved in years ago?).
Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask you...what do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Just as a point of reference, Wake's stadium is the smallest in the ACC at 31,500. Wallace Wade for Duke is at 40,004 seats. Even at the lowest number I've seen here for Yulman, adding 8-10k seats would put us in that range. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't add seats either, but it's also worth pointing out that in-person attendance is a very minor part of what drives the sport these days. If it mattered, the Pac 12 would still exist.
ml wave wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:39 amwhat do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Keep in mind that based on several claims from people who work in the business the last time Guerry dug into this, every person in the house counts, even if they don't have a seat. Even *if* the stadium only seats 23K (and none of us know exactly what it seats, though most of us suspect under 30K) we still could be over that counting fan decks, food sales, security, etc. Also keep in mind that tickets sold count. Just because you see an empty seat doesn't mean it can't be counted in attendance. Our season tickets are sold out, so that's a base capacity for every game regardless of who shows up.
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PeteRasche wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:39 am
Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.
*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".
Pete,
Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.
I don't think the ACC (or whoever) is going to audit the number of seats. We're going to say capacity is 30k now and we'll add 10k to get to 40k. Personally, I doubt the ACC without FSU/Clemson/etc would have as much of an issue with the size of Yulman as the Big12 (possibly with UT and Oklahoma...what was the time frame of this conversation, the current Big12 expansion or the previous one we were involved in years ago?).
Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask you...what do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Well you think they'll lie to the ACC. I think the ACC will more more diligent than that. If Tulane says capacity is 30,00 the letter exist from Tulane to the FAA that says the total capacity of the facility is less than 28,000 and the letter states the 30,000 is just for reporting purposes,i.e., a lie. So doubt that works. As to what the ACC wants that's convenient conjecture on your part. The conversation was this month.
The numbers are made up. Plain and simple. The stadium as is never has and never will hold 30,000 for football. It also won't hold 27,000 for football as that is total capacity of the facility which would include the field being completely lined with chairs for a graduation ceremony. Tough to hold a game while that's going on.
tulaneoutlaw wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:13 pm
Just as a point of reference, Wake's stadium is the smallest in the ACC at 31,500. Wallace Wade for Duke is at 40,004 seats. Even at the lowest number I've seen here for Yulman, adding 8-10k seats would put us in that range. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't add seats either, but it's also worth pointing out that in-person attendance is a very minor part of what drives the sport these days. If it mattered, the Pac 12 would still exist.
Those stadiums are grandfathered in. Conferences looking now will have standards which are likely higher than that.
ml wave wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:39 amwhat do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Keep in mind that based on several claims from people who work in the business the last time Guerry dug into this, every person in the house counts, even if they don't have a seat. Even *if* the stadium only seats 23K (and none of us know exactly what it seats, though most of us suspect under 30K) we still could be over that counting fan decks, food sales, security, etc. Also keep in mind that tickets sold count. Just because you see an empty seat doesn't mean it can't be counted in attendance. Our season tickets are sold out, so that's a base capacity for every game regardless of who shows up.
The B12 asked about seats. Tulane has admitted in writing to the FAA that it doesn't even have a capacity of 30,000 so it clearly has nowhere near that number. They put it in writing that the number was just made up for reporting purposes.
ml wave wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:39 amwhat do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Keep in mind that based on several claims from people who work in the business the last time Guerry dug into this, every person in the house counts, even if they don't have a seat. Even *if* the stadium only seats 23K (and none of us know exactly what it seats, though most of us suspect under 30K) we still could be over that counting fan decks, food sales, security, etc. Also keep in mind that tickets sold count. Just because you see an empty seat doesn't mean it can't be counted in attendance. Our season tickets are sold out, so that's a base capacity for every game regardless of who shows up.
The B12 asked about seats. Tulane has admitted in writing to the FAA that it doesn't even have a capacity of 30,000 so it clearly has nowhere near that number. They put it in writing that the number was just made up for reporting purposes.
You know, I haven't heard enough about this. It's definitely something we should keep discussing and bringing up.
tulaneoutlaw wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:13 pm
Just as a point of reference, Wake's stadium is the smallest in the ACC at 31,500. Wallace Wade for Duke is at 40,004 seats. Even at the lowest number I've seen here for Yulman, adding 8-10k seats would put us in that range. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't add seats either, but it's also worth pointing out that in-person attendance is a very minor part of what drives the sport these days. If it mattered, the Pac 12 would still exist.
Those stadiums are grandfathered in. Conferences looking now will have standards which are likely higher than that.
That may be. Looking at it a different way, if the 4 teams we expect to leave (FSU, UNC, Clemson, Miami) do leave the largest stadium in the league will be Pitt at 68,400 and that's an NFL field. The largest on campus stadium is VT at 66,233. Adding in the 3 new additions, the new ACC average stadium would be 52,579 seats (as an aside I didn't realize SMU only has 32k). I would think getting to 40k would be reasonable, but of course that would be adding more than the 8-10k I mentioned above.
With backfilling I doubt facilities will be a make or break factor. I do want to be clear I support upgrading facilities. I want 8-10k person arena and 40k yulman. With that saying and this may be semantics but how do we know the big 12 asked about seats and not capacity ? It was reported 3rd/4th hand. They probably just want reasonable numbers and something defensible and a show of commitment. The only conferences in a position of power is the sec and big 10. The pac and acc cannot be choosy and are already choosing from the best of the rest and back filling. Did the acc really want smu, Stanford or Berkeley ? No, but it stabilizes the conference when acc schools leave. If you add 8-10k seats/capacity to yulman I’m sure that’s plenty for the potential “new” acc. I also despise the press box look and television camera angle.
From recruiting I think locker rooms and weight rooms are very important just based on how much time athletes spend in there.
I haven't read their FAA submissions but Houston and Cincinnati both CLAIM a stadium capacity of 40,000 so that was apparently good enough for the Big 12. Northwestern (if they can get approval) are renovating Ryan field and, in the process, going from 47,000 to 35,000 seats with more emphasis on luxury suites, comfort, and amenities. Regardless of what you think the current capacity of Yulman is, I think all anyone has said here is that expanding to 40,000 should be fine if a completely speculative invite to the ACC materializes. I don't see any reason it wouldn't be. Having a 60,000 to 100,000 seat stadium wouldn't seem to be a prerequisite these days. Tulane would be keeping ticket and game-day revenue anyway so I don't know why a conference would care aside from appearances (generally looking like a big-time college football program, especially on TV). I think that having a packed, rocking stadium of 22k-30k would therefore be more desirable than a sterile, 3/4 empty superdome or other giant stadium. Are people arguing that future conference-mates would demand more capacity for their visiting fans? If the ACC teams leave that we'd need to leave for an invite to materialize, I can't see Wake Forest, BC, GA Tech, Stanford, Cal or any of the potential remaining teams bringing a huge away contingent to NOLA.
ml wave wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:39 amwhat do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Keep in mind that based on several claims from people who work in the business the last time Guerry dug into this, every person in the house counts, even if they don't have a seat. Even *if* the stadium only seats 23K (and none of us know exactly what it seats, though most of us suspect under 30K) we still could be over that counting fan decks, food sales, security, etc. Also keep in mind that tickets sold count. Just because you see an empty seat doesn't mean it can't be counted in attendance. Our season tickets are sold out, so that's a base capacity for every game regardless of who shows up.
The B12 asked about seats. Tulane has admitted in writing to the FAA that it doesn't even have a capacity of 30,000 so it clearly has nowhere near that number. They put it in writing that the number was just made up for reporting purposes.
You know, I haven't heard enough about this. It's definitely something we should keep discussing and bringing up.
What they really want is TV viewers. Most (like almost all) of conferences’ revenue is through TV contracts. Deliver that while putting forth a good product on the field and they will look past actual attendance.
Obviously the things like facilities still matter as that goes into producing a product that draws viewers.
Unfortunately, we don’t have a large alumni base that watches our games (compared to many peer institutions).
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The latest proposed new MLB parks in Vegas and Tampa have proposed capacities of 30,000 to 35, 000. If Tulane adds some seats and reaches a self-annointed 35,000 which it then fills more often than not will be acceptable. Mega stadiums are currently passe.
The real question of the ACC is what would admit terms be? I can’t see Tulane ever remotely agreeing to what Calford/SMU did. Some discount has precedence but nothing approaches what three amigos did.
Colorado reportedly got a $2.5 million bonus for jumping to B12. That’s a great precedent!
PS,As long as ACC terms are economically reasonable, Tulane should do it. I just doubt it will have to grovel like three amigos if ACC is trying to backfill after a P2 membership raid.
nolasilver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:29 pm
With backfilling I doubt facilities will be a make or break factor. I do want to be clear I support upgrading facilities. I want 8-10k person arena and 40k yulman. With that saying and this may be semantics but how do we know the big 12 asked about seats and not capacity ? It was reported 3rd/4th hand. They probably just want reasonable numbers and something defensible and a show of commitment. The only conferences in a position of power is the sec and big 10. The pac and acc cannot be choosy and are already choosing from the best of the rest and back filling. Did the acc really want smu, Stanford or Berkeley ? No, but it stabilizes the conference when acc schools leave. If you add 8-10k seats/capacity to yulman I’m sure that’s plenty for the potential “new” acc. I also despise the press box look and television camera angle.
From recruiting I think locker rooms and weight rooms are very important just based on how much time athletes spend in there.
I gave you the background on the poster. He's a very long time Tulane fan, donor and season ticketholder who makes sure his tickets are used when he's not able to make it town. Played a major role in saving Tulane football by getting that letter and passing it on to the right parties. The ACC can be choosy. No one has left yet and who are the sources of the claims that they are leaving soon? If it happens though facilities will still matter . The PAC maybe not be as choosy but the small stadium and gym stand out like a sore thumb.
2palmer0 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:44 pm
I haven't read their FAA submissions but Houston and Cincinnati both CLAIM a stadium capacity of 40,000 so that was apparently good enough for the Big 12. Northwestern (if they can get approval) are renovating Ryan field and, in the process, going from 47,000 to 35,000 seats with more emphasis on luxury suites, comfort, and amenities. Regardless of what you think the current capacity of Yulman is, I think all anyone has said here is that expanding to 40,000 should be fine if a completely speculative invite to the ACC materializes. I don't see any reason it wouldn't be. Having a 60,000 to 100,000 seat stadium wouldn't seem to be a prerequisite these days. Tulane would be keeping ticket and game-day revenue anyway so I don't know why a conference would care aside from appearances (generally looking like a big-time college football program, especially on TV). I think that having a packed, rocking stadium of 22k-30k would therefore be more desirable than a sterile, 3/4 empty superdome or other giant stadium. Are people arguing that future conference-mates would demand more capacity for their visiting fans? If the ACC teams leave that we'd need to leave for an invite to materialize, I can't see Wake Forest, BC, GA Tech, Stanford, Cal or any of the potential remaining teams bringing a huge away contingent to NOLA.
The Big 12 made on sight visits to all schools. Houston built there's to 40,00 with the room to expand to 50,000. Cincy has a noticeably bigger stadium than ours. No one has suggested we need a 60-100k seat stadium. IF we had an invite contingent on the Dome for all conference games. you simply curtain off the terrace level as they do for many events. You then have with the new configuration I believe 42,000 seats. If we keep winning at a high level we will fill that pretty well especially for the higher profile opponents.
Baywave1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:05 pm
The latest proposed new MLB parks in Vegas and Tampa have proposed capacities of 30,000 to 35, 000. If Tulane adds some seats and reaches a self-annointed 35,000 which it then fills more often than not will be acceptable. Mega stadiums are currently passe.
The real question of the ACC is what would admit terms be? I can’t see Tulane ever remotely agreeing to what Calford/SMU did. Some discount has precedence but nothing approaches what three amigos did.
Colorado reportedly got a $2.5 million bonus for jumping to B12. That’s a great precedent!
PS,As long as ACC terms are economically reasonable, Tulane should do it. I just doubt it will have to grovel like three amigos if ACC is trying to backfill after a P2 membership raid.
IF those marquee teams leave then it depends on how the TV contract is written up. They may be taking a reduction. Still should be sufficient for us but depends on the size of the exodus.
ml wave wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:39 amwhat do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Keep in mind that based on several claims from people who work in the business the last time Guerry dug into this, every person in the house counts, even if they don't have a seat. Even *if* the stadium only seats 23K (and none of us know exactly what it seats, though most of us suspect under 30K) we still could be over that counting fan decks, food sales, security, etc. Also keep in mind that tickets sold count. Just because you see an empty seat doesn't mean it can't be counted in attendance. Our season tickets are sold out, so that's a base capacity for every game regardless of who shows up.
Sure, I get all that. How many people can possibly be security, fan decks, etc? 500? 1000? Surely no more than 2000? Do we count x number of tickets sold + x number of unticketed people = attendance? So did we sell 28,000 tickets for Ole Miss? Maybe we count down and since Ole Miss was a sellout it's 30k and we had 3k unsold for USA so that's 27k, etc.? The numbers don't really make sense to me.
PeteRasche wrote: ↑Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:39 am
Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.
*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".
Pete,
Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.
I don't think the ACC (or whoever) is going to audit the number of seats. We're going to say capacity is 30k now and we'll add 10k to get to 40k. Personally, I doubt the ACC without FSU/Clemson/etc would have as much of an issue with the size of Yulman as the Big12 (possibly with UT and Oklahoma...what was the time frame of this conversation, the current Big12 expansion or the previous one we were involved in years ago?).
Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask you...what do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?
Well you think they'll lie to the ACC. I think the ACC will more more diligent than that. If Tulane says capacity is 30,00 the letter exist from Tulane to the FAA that says the total capacity of the facility is less than 28,000 and the letter states the 30,000 is just for reporting purposes,i.e., a lie. So doubt that works. As to what the ACC wants that's convenient conjecture on your part. The conversation was this month.
The numbers are made up. Plain and simple. The stadium as is never has and never will hold 30,000 for football. It also won't hold 27,000 for football as that is total capacity of the facility which would include the field being completely lined with chairs for a graduation ceremony. Tough to hold a game while that's going on.
Like I said, no I don't think the ACC will send someone to meet you there to count the seats. They're not going to FOIA the FAA to get the mythical letter. We'll tell them our capacity is 30k and that we're expanding by 10k (or whatever).
No, sorry, that conversation did not happen this month. Maybe you had your conversation this month but there's no way that the Big12 was talking to us about expansion this month. I'm guessing that conversation happened when we met with them 4 years ago at a time when they ultimately decided not to expand https://www.nola.com/sports/tulane/tula ... 61f5d.html. That was a Big12 with Texas and Oklahoma in it, safe to say that things have changed now and that version of the Big12 in no way compares to a future version of the ACC without it's big football schools.
My point was the respectable source (regarding 40k) likely didn’t differentiate between capacity vs seats, and most conferences won’t differentiate either. If you add 8k-10k ‘capacity’ to yulman no one is likely to use that as a dealbreaker. Keep winning and build a second deck + respectable bball arena and you’re good to go.
