Pac 12 Realignment

[wavedom]

Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.

*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".

Pete,

Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.

I don't think the ACC (or whoever) is going to audit the number of seats. We're going to say capacity is 30k now and we'll add 10k to get to 40k. Personally, I doubt the ACC without FSU/Clemson/etc would have as much of an issue with the size of Yulman as the Big12 (possibly with UT and Oklahoma...what was the time frame of this conversation, the current Big12 expansion or the previous one we were involved in years ago?).

Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask you...what do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?

Well you think they'll lie to the ACC. I think the ACC will more more diligent than that. If Tulane says capacity is 30,00 the letter exist from Tulane to the FAA that says the total capacity of the facility is less than 28,000 and the letter states the 30,000 is just for reporting purposes,i.e., a lie. So doubt that works. As to what the ACC wants that's convenient conjecture on your part. The conversation was this month.

The numbers are made up. Plain and simple. The stadium as is never has and never will hold 30,000 for football. It also won't hold 27,000 for football as that is total capacity of the facility which would include the field being completely lined with chairs for a graduation ceremony. Tough to hold a game while that's going on.

Like I said, no I don't think the ACC will send someone to meet you there to count the seats. They're not going to FOIA the FAA to get the mythical letter. We'll tell them our capacity is 30k and that we're expanding by 10k (or whatever).

No, sorry, that conversation did not happen this month. Maybe you had your conversation this month but there's no way that the Big12 was talking to us about expansion this month. I'm guessing that conversation happened when we met with them 4 years ago at a time when they ultimately decided not to expand https://www.nola.com/sports/tulane/tula ... 61f5d.html. That was a Big12 with Texas and Oklahoma in it, safe to say that things have changed now and that version of the Big12 in no way compares to a future version of the ACC without it's big football schools.

Live in denial all you want. A major conference is going to do site visits and no one in their right mind is accepting the 30,000 number. The letter isn't mythical. I know Bay has read it. it's been posted on this site. You love searching old stuff so find it.

Living in denial again. The conversation between the poster and the B12 booster happened this month and it was about this last round of expansion not the one 4 years ago. I know that upsets your little world but that's your problem not mine. The ACC your talking about will also be minus its big football schools.

You obviously think Tulane can lie its way into a mPower conference. I don't think so. I trhink if it's a true Power conference we will have to commit to to build out to what they want . The only other way is to have what was a Power conference get so shredded they won't any longer be a Power conference and they'll ignore the facility issue

[wavedom]

My point was the respectable source (regarding 40k) likely didn’t differentiate between capacity vs seats, and most conferences won’t differentiate either. If you add 8k-10k ‘capacity’ to yulman no one is likely to use that as a dealbreaker. Keep winning and build a second deck + respectable bball arena and you’re good to go.

The place doesn't even have a 30,000 capacity. Tulane put that in writing. Yulman isn't fooling anyone with regards to its tinyness.

[PeteRasche]

Wavedom, chill man, everyone knows that Yulman doesn't seat 30,000 and you don't need to get yet another thread locked (especially one this long) because it meandered into your favorite thing to argue. News flash: everyone who keeps needling about the capacity is f**king with you! They know, we all know. People are just trying to see whether you'll keep responding (and you have been). As Elsa and Fred LeBlanc like to say, LET IT GO.

Regardless of all that... The point here is, there is a very high likelihood that if an opening arises in the ACC, Tulane will get a call. Personally, I think we will do whatever they freaking ask, no matter what it is, in order to accept. Promise to add seats? Sure (whether it's "real" or "announced"... whatever it takes). Promise to enlarge Devlin or building something new? Whichever it is, yes (if the latter, "ring ring, hello Mrs. Glazer?"). Have an IPF by 2025? Yup. A bubble on Brown Field will do unless and until they need something "permanent".

Despite all the arguing and complaining and everything else about Dannen and the BOA and "Tulane in general" here, we're not that stupid (anymore. we used to be.)! If an offer were on the table, the appropriate people would step up and we would do what it takes.

[atxwave]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

[nolasilver]

Agreed. We are all rowing in the same direction. We all know yulman doesn’t seat 30k and it was confirmed through some elbow grease of great tulanians like yourself. I think we all agree we need better facilities. The rest are Semantics. And we all agree if there’s a chance at a better conference affiliation the admin needs to move heavens and earths and right the wrongs of 100 years of the inept leadership.

If you think about it finding our way into the ACC would truly be an incredible last ditch and amazing hail Mary considering where we were when Willie took over and just about 100 years of awfulness (with a couple great season mixed in).

[gerryb323]

I wonder whether conferences will start demanding new additions follow the SMU plan

[wavedom]

Wavedom, chill man, everyone knows that Yulman doesn't seat 30,000 and you don't need to get yet another thread locked (especially one this long) because it meandered into your favorite thing to argue. News flash: everyone who keeps needling about the capacity is f**king with you! They know, we all know. People are just trying to see whether you'll keep responding (and you have been). As Elsa and Fred LeBlanc like to say, LET IT GO.

Regardless of all that... The point here is, there is a very high likelihood that if an opening arises in the ACC, Tulane will get a call. Personally, I think we will do whatever they freaking ask, no matter what it is, in order to accept. Promise to add seats? Sure (whether it's "real" or "announced"... whatever it takes). Promise to enlarge Devlin or building something new? Whichever it is, yes (if the latter, "ring ring, hello Mrs. Glazer?"). Have an IPF by 2025? Yup. A bubble on Brown Field will do unless and until they need something "permanent".

Despite all the arguing and complaining and everything else about Dannen and the BOA and "Tulane in general" here, we're not that stupid (anymore. we used to be.)! If an offer were on the table, the appropriate people would step up and we would do what it takes.

Pete, I'm chill. You can try to frame it like you did but some others do still believe the 30,000 number or damn close to it and get bent out of shape over hearing the truth. Read their post without prejudice. Sure some have posted silly things trying to get me and I see through that. But there's a lot that are really hot and bothered because their little world has been upset. They come at me and I answer. That's all. It's important for people to understand how short Tulane is facility wise so they can understand what we are up against and what will be needed to be done to join a true Power conference.

As to the ACC they could just say hey those schools left more money for the rest of us. Plus the newbies don't need to take such a big reduction. Hell we can even give SMU some of that TV money.

[wavedom]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

Who knows one day you might get out of diapers and grow up and be a man. Get thicker skin.

[gerryb323]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

Who knows one day you might get out of diapers and grow up and be a man. Get thicker skin.

Is this irony?

[Marathon Wave]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

Who knows one day you might get out of diapers and grow up and be a man. Get thicker skin.

Is this irony?

Irony of the steel girder style.

[GreenWave80]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

You think it bad here? Try being a reader of both sites. He does the exact same thing on the other site as well, so you get a double dose. Tiresome doesn't even begin to describe it.

[2palmer0]

@Pete, the thread was stagnating a bit there and we have to keep growing it! We got a solid 1-2 pages over stadium size. Now we should move on to what food/hot chocolate the ACC might require us to sell at the stadium and whether the SEC might give us a look if we brought Lindsey Scott on as a QB coach.

[wavedom]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

Who knows one day you might get out of diapers and grow up and be a man. Get thicker skin.

Is this irony?

Not at all. I can accept the truth about the smallness of the stadium and how it hinders the possibilities for the program. Btw, the next time yopu offer something of value to the site will be a first since you are consumed with taking pot shots.

[wavedom]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

Who knows one day you might get out of diapers and grow up and be a man. Get thicker skin.

Is this irony?

Irony of the steel girder style.

The dumbathon continues.

[wavedom]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

You think it bad here? Try being a reader of both sites. He does the exact same thing on the other site as well, so you get a double dose. Tiresome doesn't even begin to describe it.

Get thicker skin or don't read it.

[ml wave]

I wonder whether conferences will start demanding new additions follow the SMU plan

This is my thought/concern. Precedent has been set. Also, it benefits, say, Wake Forest much more if we forego TV revenue than if we add on to our stadium.

[ml wave]

My point was the respectable source (regarding 40k) likely didn’t differentiate between capacity vs seats, and most conferences won’t differentiate either. If you add 8k-10k ‘capacity’ to yulman no one is likely to use that as a dealbreaker. Keep winning and build a second deck + respectable bball arena and you’re good to go.

Agree totally.

[washwave]

I'm reluctant to continue the stadium size discussion, but the current landscape of realignment shows that if we played in a TV studio and consistently had 4 million people tune into our TV games, a bigger conference would want us. I've been to SMU's stadium and it's not much bigger than ours and they are in the ACC now because they made the economics work for the ACC. People have been inflating crowd sizes since the advent of sports and it's the least of our worries right now. We need to have a successful program that people want to watch and want to support and the rest will take care of itself.

[ml wave]

Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.

*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".

Pete,

Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.

I don't think the ACC (or whoever) is going to audit the number of seats. We're going to say capacity is 30k now and we'll add 10k to get to 40k. Personally, I doubt the ACC without FSU/Clemson/etc would have as much of an issue with the size of Yulman as the Big12 (possibly with UT and Oklahoma...what was the time frame of this conversation, the current Big12 expansion or the previous one we were involved in years ago?).

Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask you...what do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?

Well you think they'll lie to the ACC. I think the ACC will more more diligent than that. If Tulane says capacity is 30,00 the letter exist from Tulane to the FAA that says the total capacity of the facility is less than 28,000 and the letter states the 30,000 is just for reporting purposes,i.e., a lie. So doubt that works. As to what the ACC wants that's convenient conjecture on your part. The conversation was this month.

The numbers are made up. Plain and simple. The stadium as is never has and never will hold 30,000 for football. It also won't hold 27,000 for football as that is total capacity of the facility which would include the field being completely lined with chairs for a graduation ceremony. Tough to hold a game while that's going on.

Like I said, no I don't think the ACC will send someone to meet you there to count the seats. They're not going to FOIA the FAA to get the mythical letter. We'll tell them our capacity is 30k and that we're expanding by 10k (or whatever).

No, sorry, that conversation did not happen this month. Maybe you had your conversation this month but there's no way that the Big12 was talking to us about expansion this month. I'm guessing that conversation happened when we met with them 4 years ago at a time when they ultimately decided not to expand https://www.nola.com/sports/tulane/tula ... 61f5d.html. That was a Big12 with Texas and Oklahoma in it, safe to say that things have changed now and that version of the Big12 in no way compares to a future version of the ACC without it's big football schools.

Live in denial all you want. A major conference is going to do site visits and no one in their right mind is accepting the 30,000 number. The letter isn't mythical. I know Bay has read it. it's been posted on this site. You love searching old stuff so find it.

Living in denial again. The conversation between the poster and the B12 booster happened this month and it was about this last round of expansion not the one 4 years ago. I know that upsets your little world but that's your problem not mine. The ACC your talking about will also be minus its big football schools.

You obviously think Tulane can lie its way into a mPower conference. I don't think so. I trhink if it's a true Power conference we will have to commit to to build out to what they want . The only other way is to have what was a Power conference get so shredded they won't any longer be a Power conference and they'll ignore the facility issue

I've read the letter. Again, that minutiae is not going to come up to the ACC. They'll come do a site visit (not count the seats), get wined and dined in the Glazer club and wowed by however many millions we say that we're paying for the expansion.

The last round of expansion? When they added Colorado, Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah? And we were never even a remote possibility for the Big12 due to their TV contract which forced ESPN to increase revenue pro rata if they added P5 schools but not if they added G5? Forget 40k, our stadium could seat 80,000 and we wouldn't have gone to Big 12 over any of those schools. Yeah, I know the ACC I'm talking about will be minus its big football schools...that's my point. Syracuse, WF, Duke, BC...they're not going to care about the size of our stadium, they're not going to bring a million visiting fans, and they don't have the stroke to make those kind of demands like a UT/Oklahoma/FSU would. Now Fogelman, I'm sure they could have something to say about that.

[ml wave]

Wavedom, chill man, everyone knows that Yulman doesn't seat 30,000 and you don't need to get yet another thread locked (especially one this long) because it meandered into your favorite thing to argue. News flash: everyone who keeps needling about the capacity is f**king with you! They know, we all know. People are just trying to see whether you'll keep responding (and you have been). As Elsa and Fred LeBlanc like to say, LET IT GO.

Regardless of all that... The point here is, there is a very high likelihood that if an opening arises in the ACC, Tulane will get a call. Personally, I think we will do whatever they freaking ask, no matter what it is, in order to accept. Promise to add seats? Sure (whether it's "real" or "announced"... whatever it takes). Promise to enlarge Devlin or building something new? Whichever it is, yes (if the latter, "ring ring, hello Mrs. Glazer?"). Have an IPF by 2025? Yup. A bubble on Brown Field will do unless and until they need something "permanent".

Despite all the arguing and complaining and everything else about Dannen and the BOA and "Tulane in general" here, we're not that stupid (anymore. we used to be.)! If an offer were on the table, the appropriate people would step up and we would do what it takes.

Pete, I'm chill. You can try to frame it like you did but some others do still believe the 30,000 number or damn close to it and get bent out of shape over hearing the truth. Read their post without prejudice.

Curious as to when this last happened. You keep saying people push back on it but I don't see anyone doing it.

[gerryb323]

Wavedom, your fandom is appreciated but your persistence arguing with every poster about our football stadium and other facilities has become beyond tiresome to me. I have but one question for you.

When the time comes to expand Yulman, can we please use that giant steel girder that you've been carrying up your ass in the construction of the upper deck?

Thanks in advance!

Who knows one day you might get out of diapers and grow up and be a man. Get thicker skin.

Is this irony?

Not at all. I can accept the truth about the smallness of the stadium and how it hinders the possibilities for the program. Btw, the next time yopu offer something of value to the site will be a first since you are consumed with taking pot shots.

[wavedom]

Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.

*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".

Pete,

Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.

I don't think the ACC (or whoever) is going to audit the number of seats. We're going to say capacity is 30k now and we'll add 10k to get to 40k. Personally, I doubt the ACC without FSU/Clemson/etc would have as much of an issue with the size of Yulman as the Big12 (possibly with UT and Oklahoma...what was the time frame of this conversation, the current Big12 expansion or the previous one we were involved in years ago?).

Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask you...what do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?

Well you think they'll lie to the ACC. I think the ACC will more more diligent than that. If Tulane says capacity is 30,00 the letter exist from Tulane to the FAA that says the total capacity of the facility is less than 28,000 and the letter states the 30,000 is just for reporting purposes,i.e., a lie. So doubt that works. As to what the ACC wants that's convenient conjecture on your part. The conversation was this month.

The numbers are made up. Plain and simple. The stadium as is never has and never will hold 30,000 for football. It also won't hold 27,000 for football as that is total capacity of the facility which would include the field being completely lined with chairs for a graduation ceremony. Tough to hold a game while that's going on.

Like I said, no I don't think the ACC will send someone to meet you there to count the seats. They're not going to FOIA the FAA to get the mythical letter. We'll tell them our capacity is 30k and that we're expanding by 10k (or whatever).

No, sorry, that conversation did not happen this month. Maybe you had your conversation this month but there's no way that the Big12 was talking to us about expansion this month. I'm guessing that conversation happened when we met with them 4 years ago at a time when they ultimately decided not to expand https://www.nola.com/sports/tulane/tula ... 61f5d.html. That was a Big12 with Texas and Oklahoma in it, safe to say that things have changed now and that version of the Big12 in no way compares to a future version of the ACC without it's big football schools.

Live in denial all you want. A major conference is going to do site visits and no one in their right mind is accepting the 30,000 number. The letter isn't mythical. I know Bay has read it. it's been posted on this site. You love searching old stuff so find it.

Living in denial again. The conversation between the poster and the B12 booster happened this month and it was about this last round of expansion not the one 4 years ago. I know that upsets your little world but that's your problem not mine. The ACC your talking about will also be minus its big football schools.

You obviously think Tulane can lie its way into a mPower conference. I don't think so. I trhink if it's a true Power conference we will have to commit to to build out to what they want . The only other way is to have what was a Power conference get so shredded they won't any longer be a Power conference and they'll ignore the facility issue

I've read the letter. Again, that minutiae is not going to come up to the ACC. They'll come do a site visit (not count the seats), get wined and dined in the Glazer club and wowed by however many millions we say that we're paying for the expansion.

The last round of expansion? When they added Colorado, Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah? And we were never even a remote possibility for the Big12 due to their TV contract which forced ESPN to increase revenue pro rata if they added P5 schools but not if they added G5? Forget 40k, our stadium could seat 80,000 and we wouldn't have gone to Big 12 over any of those schools. Yeah, I know the ACC I'm talking about will be minus its big football schools...that's my point. Syracuse, WF, Duke, BC...they're not going to care about the size of our stadium, they're not going to bring a million visiting fans, and they don't have the stroke to make those kind of demands like a UT/Oklahoma/FSU would. Now Fogelman, I'm sure they could have something to say about that.

As far as what the ACC will do IF there is even an opening remains to be seen. The smallness of the stadium jumps out art anyone that walks in it. If the conference is so degraded that they don't care that doesn't bode well. Their contract will be downsized accordingly. So yes likely better than what we get now but not Power conference money and football wise less competition wise than when we had Cincy, UCF and Houston.

The last round they didn't know they were going to get those schools and were looking at all their options. So yes the conversation was in this last round.

[wavedom]

Wavedom, chill man, everyone knows that Yulman doesn't seat 30,000 and you don't need to get yet another thread locked (especially one this long) because it meandered into your favorite thing to argue. News flash: everyone who keeps needling about the capacity is f**king with you! They know, we all know. People are just trying to see whether you'll keep responding (and you have been). As Elsa and Fred LeBlanc like to say, LET IT GO.

Regardless of all that... The point here is, there is a very high likelihood that if an opening arises in the ACC, Tulane will get a call. Personally, I think we will do whatever they freaking ask, no matter what it is, in order to accept. Promise to add seats? Sure (whether it's "real" or "announced"... whatever it takes). Promise to enlarge Devlin or building something new? Whichever it is, yes (if the latter, "ring ring, hello Mrs. Glazer?"). Have an IPF by 2025? Yup. A bubble on Brown Field will do unless and until they need something "permanent".

Despite all the arguing and complaining and everything else about Dannen and the BOA and "Tulane in general" here, we're not that stupid (anymore. we used to be.)! If an offer were on the table, the appropriate people would step up and we would do what it takes.

Pete, I'm chill. You can try to frame it like you did but some others do still believe the 30,000 number or damn close to it and get bent out of shape over hearing the truth. Read their post without prejudice.

Curious as to when this last happened. You keep saying people push back on it but I don't see anyone doing it.

Didn't know you were blind.

[WaveProf]

Curious as to when this last happened. You keep saying people push back on it but I don't see anyone doing it.

People push back on his certainty of exact numbers based on a letter (in which the university had a reason to make it sound low) and two people walking around counting seats (which doesn't count for all tickets that can be sold). And he interprets anything less than total submission to his logic, as being in disagreement, and he always has to be right, so he does what he does. When the argument is maybe over, at most, a couple thousand seats. But for some people, being an a--hat is just fun.

I've muted and only see when y'all respond to him, so nowadays I'm just more mad at y'all for engaging cause that's the only reason I even know he's still pulling all of this

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Wavedom, I don't think anyone who has been following the realignment stuff doubts that conferences are telling us "you need to do X, Y, and Z, facility-wise." That's pretty much a given. Whether or not those numbers thrown out on the internet are real or not, they are very reasonable for a P5 league. I just looked and the ACC's smallest basketball venue (Miami) is under 8000, so it's *possible* that Devlin could be expanded to that capacity***. Of course, we all know the ideal is to build a parking deck/IPF/APC/basketball arena on the Rosen lot... but for some reason Tulane says that spot is off-limits. The football stadium, as we know, was built to expand, it's just a NIMBY fight question. I'm sure we could get it to 40,000.

*** A loooong time ago there were plans drawn up which would have cantilevered the north seating over the Pocket Park and expanded the south into the gravel yard - the difficulty of that is that the entire roof would have to be raised. I have no idea what capacity could be reached with the roof and walls as they are now, but it's definitely not "full".

Pete,

Definitely agree as to what should be done on Rosen. If Tulane wants in they are going to have to give that back to athletics. As to Yulman you are talking about adding over 17,000 seats. The south endzone abuts Reily so it doesn't appear there's any room there. On the north end you have to be careful what you do as you don't want to impede the mini field space from having the football ops. building put there. On the eastside there can be a 3rd deck. The second deek has around 3,500 seats. On the west side if it can be agreed on then a deck there would be another 3,500. So youre' talking about 10,000 seats in the north end zone. Hopefully we get to see how it turns out.

I don't think the ACC (or whoever) is going to audit the number of seats. We're going to say capacity is 30k now and we'll add 10k to get to 40k. Personally, I doubt the ACC without FSU/Clemson/etc would have as much of an issue with the size of Yulman as the Big12 (possibly with UT and Oklahoma...what was the time frame of this conversation, the current Big12 expansion or the previous one we were involved in years ago?).

Speaking of, I've been meaning to ask you...what do you think is going on with our attendance numbers? We reported almost 27k for USA, exactly 30,000 for Ole Miss (that's a hint that the 30k capacity is a bogus number...not one ticket/person more or less?), and almost 23k for Nicholls...I'm not challenging your capacity claims, I'm asking, for example, how do you think we come up with a 27k figure for USA which is well more than number of seats? Or how do we get ~23k for Nicholls which is basically capacity but the stadium was obviously not full?

Well you think they'll lie to the ACC. I think the ACC will more more diligent than that. If Tulane says capacity is 30,00 the letter exist from Tulane to the FAA that says the total capacity of the facility is less than 28,000 and the letter states the 30,000 is just for reporting purposes,i.e., a lie. So doubt that works. As to what the ACC wants that's convenient conjecture on your part. The conversation was this month.

The numbers are made up. Plain and simple. The stadium as is never has and never will hold 30,000 for football. It also won't hold 27,000 for football as that is total capacity of the facility which would include the field being completely lined with chairs for a graduation ceremony. Tough to hold a game while that's going on.

Like I said, no I don't think the ACC will send someone to meet you there to count the seats. They're not going to FOIA the FAA to get the mythical letter. We'll tell them our capacity is 30k and that we're expanding by 10k (or whatever).

No, sorry, that conversation did not happen this month. Maybe you had your conversation this month but there's no way that the Big12 was talking to us about expansion this month. I'm guessing that conversation happened when we met with them 4 years ago at a time when they ultimately decided not to expand https://www.nola.com/sports/tulane/tula ... 61f5d.html. That was a Big12 with Texas and Oklahoma in it, safe to say that things have changed now and that version of the Big12 in no way compares to a future version of the ACC without it's big football schools.

Live in denial all you want. A major conference is going to do site visits and no one in their right mind is accepting the 30,000 number. The letter isn't mythical. I know Bay has read it. it's been posted on this site. You love searching old stuff so find it.

Living in denial again. The conversation between the poster and the B12 booster happened this month and it was about this last round of expansion not the one 4 years ago. I know that upsets your little world but that's your problem not mine. The ACC your talking about will also be minus its big football schools.

You obviously think Tulane can lie its way into a mPower conference. I don't think so. I trhink if it's a true Power conference we will have to commit to to build out to what they want . The only other way is to have what was a Power conference get so shredded they won't any longer be a Power conference and they'll ignore the facility issue

I've read the letter. Again, that minutiae is not going to come up to the ACC. They'll come do a site visit (not count the seats), get wined and dined in the Glazer club and wowed by however many millions we say that we're paying for the expansion.

The last round of expansion? When they added Colorado, Arizona, Arizona St, and Utah? And we were never even a remote possibility for the Big12 due to their TV contract which forced ESPN to increase revenue pro rata if they added P5 schools but not if they added G5? Forget 40k, our stadium could seat 80,000 and we wouldn't have gone to Big 12 over any of those schools. Yeah, I know the ACC I'm talking about will be minus its big football schools...that's my point. Syracuse, WF, Duke, BC...they're not going to care about the size of our stadium, they're not going to bring a million visiting fans, and they don't have the stroke to make those kind of demands like a UT/Oklahoma/FSU would. Now Fogelman, I'm sure they could have something to say about that.

As far as what the ACC will do IF there is even an opening remains to be seen. The smallness of the stadium jumps out art anyone that walks in it. If the conference is so degraded that they don't care that doesn't bode well. Their contract will be downsized accordingly. So yes likely better than what we get now but not Power conference money and football wise less competition wise than when we had Cincy, UCF and Houston.

The last round they didn't know they were going to get those schools and were looking at all their options. So yes the conversation was in this last round.

It's pretty clear Yormark has no interest in expanding with G5 teams. They didn't know they were going to get those schools but they weren't expanding unless they did. They got the 4 corners, they're trying to get FSU/Clemson and would probably settle for picking over ACC leftovers, there's never been any reports of interest in Tulane under Yormark. They would have had to take a cut in TV revenue to add us...someone along the line is passing old information to you.