Pac 12 Realignment

[tulaneoutlaw]

I have no idea why UVA is mentioned for anything.

Big state school in a big state. I believe NC and VA are the two biggest states with no SEC/BIG presence.

Correct. That's about all uva has going for it at the moment. And as with Maryland and Rutgers the b10 has shown it is susceptible to such arguments before

[GretnaGrn]

If the Big 12 gets FSU/Clemson, could also see them adding Pitt and Louisville. If UNC/Duke/UVa/Miami go to the BIG, that leaves NCSt, Wake, BC, GT, VT, Syracuse, Cal, Stanford, SMU. Obviously a good conference for us to join but that TV deal would be going down.

This past summer there was a lot of concern about whatever shell of a conference the PAC ended up as, being worth Tulane joining, and concern about the payouts being low, or "even worth the costs of west coast travel" and whatnot. However, I think we all have quickly become aware, as this football season has thrown it in our faces, of just how important it is for us to GET OUT OF THE AAC. Whatever the TV deal is of the new ACC, even if it's $500 more than the AAC, we need to get out of the AAC, if for no other reason than perception.

Also, the next deal for the AAC is going to be even less than the current one, by rather a large margin. Just yet another reason to escape ASAP.

[wavedom]

If the Big 12 gets FSU/Clemson, could also see them adding Pitt and Louisville. If UNC/Duke/UVa/Miami go to the BIG, that leaves NCSt, Wake, BC, GT, VT, Syracuse, Cal, Stanford, SMU. Obviously a good conference for us to join but that TV deal would be going down.

This past summer there was a lot of concern about whatever shell of a conference the PAC ended up as, being worth Tulane joining, and concern about the payouts being low, or "even worth the costs of west coast travel" and whatnot. However, I think we all have quickly become aware, as this football season has thrown it in our faces, of just how important it is for us to GET OUT OF THE AAC. Whatever the TV deal is of the new ACC, even if it's $500 more than the AAC, we need to get out of the AAC, if for no other reason than perception.

So I ask again is there a credible source saying this is going to happen?

I don't know if this last line was for me specifically or just to the thread as a whole, but there was absolutely nothing in my post that indicated sources or leaks, it was 100% my personal guesses (hence the "I thinks").

Not directed at you. Simply asking if anyone has a credible source.

[PJR]

The BiG10 likes big public schools with lots of fans and with a large alumnus base. I do not think that Miami would be a serious consideration for membership by the BIG. FSU yes. NC yes. Virginia yes. Northwestern is an initial charter member and the only private school. Northwestern is also an AAU school and highly rated academically. However, today Northwestern probably would not be considered for membership in the BIG.

[speckled trout]

If the Big 12 gets FSU/Clemson, could also see them adding Pitt and Louisville. If UNC/Duke/UVa/Miami go to the BIG, that leaves NCSt, Wake, BC, GT, VT, Syracuse, Cal, Stanford, SMU. Obviously a good conference for us to join but that TV deal would be going down.

This past summer there was a lot of concern about whatever shell of a conference the PAC ended up as, being worth Tulane joining, and concern about the payouts being low, or "even worth the costs of west coast travel" and whatnot. However, I think we all have quickly become aware, as this football season has thrown it in our faces, of just how important it is for us to GET OUT OF THE AAC. Whatever the TV deal is of the new ACC, even if it's $500 more than the AAC, we need to get out of the AAC, if for no other reason than perception.

So I ask again is there a credible source saying this is going to happen?

I don't know if this last line was for me specifically or just to the thread as a whole, but there was absolutely nothing in my post that indicated sources or leaks, it was 100% my personal guesses (hence the "I thinks").

Couldn’t agree more. Tulane needs to get out of CUSAAC at all costs.

We will most likely never get back in the SEC, the Big 10 isn’t going to invite us, the Big XII is still a long shot. We just need to get the hell out. No reason for Tulane to be playing in a football conference with Charlotte

[nolasilver]

“ NCSt, Wake, BC, GT, VT, Syracuse, Cal, Stanford, SMU” I would be content with that as our conference. It’s not the sec, but they’re mostly peer universities with plenty of football history. No community/commuter colleges and no directionals. Also we could win that conference and make the playoff often.

For fun/speculation, who would the favorites be in that conference year in and year out ? Stanford, Nc state and VT ?

[tulaneoutlaw]

“ NCSt, Wake, BC, GT, VT, Syracuse, Cal, Stanford, SMU” I would be content with that as our conference. It’s not the sec, but they’re mostly peer universities with plenty of football history. No community/commuter colleges and no directionals. Also we could win that conference and make the playoff often.

For fun/speculation, who would the favorites be in that conference year in and year out ? Stanford, Nc state and VT ?

I agree. And this year we'd be favored over all those teams except Syracuse. I don't know that there is a perennial favorite in that league which is what makes it fun a la the new b12. I'd put my money on nc st

[nolasilver]

I was looking into their history, Virginia tech has had quite a run since the 90’s ! I would have to think it would be them, despite them really stumbling over the last several years. But they’re certainly not some unstoppable force

[FW]

VT's success was Beamer. They're going to need to get a better coach (this guy ain't it) if they want to get back to anything resembling what they were from the mid-90s to like 2010ish.

[PeteRasche]

I was looking into their history, Virginia tech has had quite a run since the 90’s ! I would have to think it would be them, despite them really stumbling over the last several years. But they’re certainly not some unstoppable force

Too young to remember a guy named Michael Vick?

[tulaneoutlaw]

VT has a few new problems to contend with called ODU, Liberty, and James Madison. When they were good, all those were FCS, but now that they've moved up they impact VT's depth. It also doesn't help that under Franklin Penn St has made it a point to make Virginia a priority for recruiting. It's a passionate fan base for sure, but their distance from actual recruiting hot beds is a problem. With a good coach they could return to being very good, but I'm not sure we'll ever see anything like the run of 10-win seasons and BCS appearances they had.

[Baywave1]

I guess tulane will join rump ACC at some point within next 15 years. I’m rooting that SMU price of admission will go way down without Clemson, FSU, UNC, etc

Meanwhile until it is resolved i assume there is a 1% chance Tulane links up with PAC2. That is an entertaining sideshow especially if PAC2 get to keep 25 and 26 guaranteed CFP payments. That would be karmac justice for OSU/WSU and just rewards fir Stanford doing literally world class groveling to avoid being in a conference with Fresno

[tjtlja]

Let’s get a victory today. Roll Wave!

[Baywave1]

Quit being depressed. Tulane has won 16 of last 19 games. Best string since 1997 and 1998. Keep playing .800+ ball and good things will happen.

What has hurt Tulane is 70 years of mostly losing. Facilities have nothing to do with that. Six decades of those we were in Sugar bowl and Superdome. Prove we we are a consistently winning program again like thirties and forties and Yulman will work just fine

What do you think rump ACC will do when P2 poaches its football name programs? Raid the Big 12?

PS, Did you see Nebraska and Northwestern will each spend a zillion dollars to reduce the size of their stadiums?

[ml wave]

If the Big 12 gets FSU/Clemson, could also see them adding Pitt and Louisville. If UNC/Duke/UVa/Miami go to the BIG, that leaves NCSt, Wake, BC, GT, VT, Syracuse, Cal, Stanford, SMU. Obviously a good conference for us to join but that TV deal would be going down.

This past summer there was a lot of concern about whatever shell of a conference the PAC ended up as, being worth Tulane joining, and concern about the payouts being low, or "even worth the costs of west coast travel" and whatnot. However, I think we all have quickly become aware, as this football season has thrown it in our faces, of just how important it is for us to GET OUT OF THE AAC. Whatever the TV deal is of the new ACC, even if it's $500 more than the AAC, we need to get out of the AAC, if for no other reason than perception.

Agreed, no doubt.

[nolasilver]

Apparently we are at the top of the acc’s vetted list. To be clear, this is a quasi legit source who is always desperate for attention.

https://twitter.com/JWMediaDC/status/17 ... 9115178248

[speckled trout]

Apparently we are at the top of the acc’s vetted list. To be clear, this is a quasi legit source who is always desperate for attention.

https://twitter.com/JWMediaDC/status/17 ... 9115178248

Jim Williams is one of the better sources out there with breaking realignment news. This tweet makes me think the inevitable ACC fire sale might happen sooner rather than later

[Baywave1]

Williams is not an ACC anon. (I think he went to USF.) he is well connected with networks and i would consider a legit source. His daily morning college football podcast mainly focuses on media issues like ratings and rankings and announcers and contracts but for last year he has understandably focused on realignment. (He also does a daily afternoon soccer podcast for you Messi fans.)

I take this to mean two things. Some level of departure negotiations is happening between the disaffected ACC members and conference. (It may be ACC says “Pay us $300 million or we will see you in 2035.”)

Second ACC as it should is preparing for disaffected members to be replaced if latter in fact pay up to leave. It does not surprise Tulane is at top of list. I think his point is to emphasize USF is #2.

I don’t believe FSU, et al, is willing to pay ransom asked yet. This could be a year or a decade away.

Side note: maybe it gives Willie another small reason to stay? Tulane in 2025 would certainly be competitive with rump ACC that P2 passes over if in fact this realignment occurs

[Baywave1]

PS, it would be wildly hilarious for Tulane in next year or two to be asked to join ACC on”standard/traditional” realignment terms which are priced much less than SMU/Calford agreed to.

I assume ACC would renegotiate with SMU/Calford or they would never vote to admit any replacement member on better terms. It’s just their having to wildly overpay for “earlier” membership that is worth the price of popcorn.

May it happen. (I give it 5% we join by 2025. I give it 90% we join by 2035 IF WE CAN JUST KEEP WINNING.)

[tulaneoutlaw]

We need to hope it happens soon so that we stay at the top of the list. We've still got the cotton bowl shine on us and should finish out this year strong too. The future is much less certain. Give me a dollar today over two next week.

[Baywave1]

True.

Look at BSU. Having to win bigly for a decade plus is a tall order for a Tulane that lost bigly for decades and some of that time mockingly bigly

CMON FSU, Write That Check!

[Baywave1]

One final final thought. PAC2 has to do something when PAC lawsuit is sorted out. ACC is much better answer for Tulane but say PAC2 gets a ton of settlement money and instead of simply merging with MWC then uses some to pay Tulane and Memphis and USF to join a new PAC national geography conference?

I rate it at 1% likely but two suitors are always better than one and it might force ACC hand on timing and terms to invite Tulane

Does anyone think ACC really wants to restock with Tulsa or App State or, hold your breath, Liberty?

Unlikely longshot? Sure but who would have predicted WU would in effect sue its legal sister WSU? (Check the state politics on that.)

Just gotta keep winning…

[ml wave]

One final final thought. PAC2 has to do something when PAC lawsuit is sorted out. ACC is much better answer for Tulane but say PAC2 gets a ton of settlement money and instead of simply merging with MWC then uses some to pay Tulane and Memphis and USF to join a new PAC national geography conference?

I rate it at 1% likely but two suitors are always better than one and it might force ACC hand on timing and terms to invite Tulane

Does anyone think ACC really wants to restock with Tulsa or App State or, hold your breath, Liberty?

Unlikely longshot? Sure but who would have predicted WU would in effect sue its legal sister WSU? (Check the state politics on that.)

Just gotta keep winning…

I doubt that would force ACC's hand...unless we take an SMU deal, they're not offering us until FSU/Clemson leave. They did preemptive restocking with SMU/Calford.

I think anyone could have predicted lawsuits with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.

[nolasilver]

interestingly i don't think the pac 2 does have to do anything. You can get a waiver for up to 2 years if you have fall out of compliance with the ncaa league regulations ( having fewer teams than needed). We did that when uconn left. Interstingly enough, they can have a two team conference for 1-2 years. During that time the exit fees for MW drop greatly, and maybe they can work on a potential tv deal.

[nolasilver]

It makes sense for acc to want Usf, to replace a presumptive Miami and Fsu departure they could still have a presence in Florida (which also is important for us as we love recruiting Florida).


Usf will also have a brand new stadium that they have heavily leveraged themselves to build.